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Discussion starter · #121 · (Edited)
I've had good results with Currie, Teraflex, Rock Krawler and Trailmaster (long arms).

TnT, Rokmen, JKS, and others have good components.

I wouldn't run Rough Country, SkyJacker, or other lower tier quality arms.



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Here is a short description of my set up

Poly High Steer Kit
Poly Track Bar
Poly Tie Rod
Poly Drag Link
Poly Frame Side Track Bar Brace
Poly Axle Side Track Bar Brace
Poly HD Ball Joints
Poly Lower adjustable Control Arms
Currie Upper Adjustable Control Arms
Fox Steering Stabilizer

I am right at 5 degrees caster and 1/4 inch toe in. I am getting a shimmy between 30 and 40 MPH and it had turned into full blown DW. I have had DW before and resolved the issue with the above mentioned parts. Yesterday, I got my GoPro out and shot a video of the driver and passenger side. The is a clip of the passenger side. On the drivers side video there was absolutely no movement in the track bar. In this video is look like to me my movement is coming from the ball joint and knuckle area. Any help and thoughts would be appreciated.

http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx245/jgarner74/Jeep Stuff/?action=view&current=GOPR0016.mp4
 
Here is a short description of my set up

Poly High Steer Kit
Poly Track Bar
Poly Tie Rod
Poly Drag Link
Poly Frame Side Track Bar Brace
Poly Axle Side Track Bar Brace
Poly HD Ball Joints
Poly Lower adjustable Control Arms
Currie Upper Adjustable Control Arms
Fox Steering Stabilizer

I am right at 5 degrees caster and 1/4 inch toe in. I am getting a shimmy between 30 and 40 MPH and it had turned into full blown DW. I have had DW before and resolved the issue with the above mentioned parts. Yesterday, I got my GoPro out and shot a video of the driver and passenger side. The is a clip of the passenger side. On the drivers side video there was absolutely no movement in the track bar. In this video is look like to me my movement is coming from the ball joint and knuckle area. Any help and thoughts would be appreciated.

http://s760.photobucket.com/albums/xx245/jgarner74/Jeep Stuff/?action=view&current=GOPR0016.mp4

FYI. The shaking begins about 1:45 into the video.
 
Discussion starter · #124 ·
1/4" toe-in is way too much. It will feather your tires--which by themselves would cause shimmies if feathered.

I'm on my phone. So, I don't know if your video will load. I'll try it.

Have you watched my 2 new YouTube videos on DW?


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I've had good results with Currie, Teraflex, Rock Krawler and Trailmaster (long arms).

TnT, Rokmen, JKS, and others have good components.

I wouldn't run Rough Country, SkyJacker, or other lower tier quality arms.

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DW gone! Replaced rubbers an above check-list done! Feathered BFG rubbers = huge PITA!
Next on the menu adjustable CA!
Thanks again Planman for your help! Thumbs Up and at least 1tone of bear!!!!
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Regarding toe, I recently replaced tie rod ends because my boots were torn, but the ends were not worn. I have a solid rock krawker bar so toe adjustments are done by screwing in or out the ends. The jeep was driving PERFECTLY for months before I replaced the ends, then immediately afterwards I was getting the onset of dw which was induced by bumps. My toe was set at 1/16" by my mechanic friend and me.

Long story short, the only way I was able to get rid of the dw was to set the toe OUT slightly. Remember, I can only adjust by one turn of the end at a time. So now I'm toe'd out slightly, about 1/16-1/8" and the jk is driving better.

Oh, and all other systems are a go, bolts torqued, ball joints good, tires balanced, etc. the tires and worn though.

Go figure.
 
1/4" toe-in is way too much. It will feather your tires--which by themselves would cause shimmies if feathered.

I'm on my phone. So, I don't know if your video will load. I'll try it.

Have you watched my 2 new YouTube videos on DW?


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Planman, Yes I have watched the two videos several times. This is not my first go around with DW, hence all the Poly stuff up front.

I was under the impression with a large tire like a 39.5 that I am running it could handle the 1/4 toe in. If you get a chance please watch the video. I will try a different toe setting this weekend and see if that helps.
 
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Regarding toe, I recently replaced tie rod ends because my boots were torn, but the ends were not worn. I have a solid rock krawker bar so toe adjustments are done by screwing in or out the ends. The jeep was driving PERFECTLY for months before I replaced the ends, then immediately afterwards I was getting the onset of dw which was induced by bumps. My toe was set at 1/16" by my mechanic friend and me.

Long story short, the only way I was able to get rid of the dw was to set the toe OUT slightly. Remember, I can only adjust by one turn of the end at a time. So now I'm toe'd out slightly, about 1/16-1/8" and the jk is driving better.

Oh, and all other systems are a go, bolts torqued, ball joints good, tires balanced, etc. the tires and worn though.

Go figure.
Toe out usually compensates for worn ball joints.

Also, the steering test in the beginning of the 2nd video should expose the problem(s).


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I watched on my cell, but it wasn't easy to see. I'll be home tomorrow night and can watch it then.


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Sounds great. It hard to see but if you expand to full size you and see the movement in the knuckle. I am not a paying photobucket member so it will not load up in full HD like the GoPro records in.

I will tell you when this all started I was on a trail ride and took a very hard hit on the passenger front wheel climbing dry waterfall ledge. It was one of those where I was not over far enough to the left and hit another ledge that was there with that tire. Actually, when I hit it it made loud pop/crack and we all thought I broke something, but could never see anything.
 
Discussion starter · #131 ·
Planman, Yes I have watched the two videos several times. This is not my first go around with DW, hence all the Poly stuff up front.

I was under the impression with a large tire like a 39.5 that I am running it could handle the 1/4 toe in. If you get a chance please watch the video. I will try a different toe setting this weekend and see if that helps.
Have you tried a different set of tire/wheels to further isolate the problem?


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Sounds great. It hard to see but if you expand to full size you and see the movement in the knuckle. I am not a paying photobucket member so it will not load up in full HD like the GoPro records in.

I will tell you when this all started I was on a trail ride and took a very hard hit on the passenger front wheel climbing dry waterfall ledge. It was one of those where I was not over far enough to the left and hit another ledge that was there with that tire. Actually, when I hit it it made loud pop/crack and we all thought I broke something, but could never see anything.
I'll try that.

The trigger after the pop/crack would lead me to believe an end, unit bearing, ball joint, etc. was compromised.

A slow steering cycling between 9 and 3 o'clock like my 2nd video, and the ball joint and unit bearing testing like in my second video should expose the problem. Be careful though. The stock steering box with 39s on dry concrete will be rough--concrete would be better than asphalt. If it is too rough, put more air in the tires or borrow a set of smaller ones.


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Discussion starter · #133 ·
FYI. The shaking begins about 1:45 into the video.
It looks to me like there is wobble in the tire.

I'm curious to know what you experience running less toe-in with a different set of wheels and tires.

I'm curious to know if you find any clunks doing the 9-3 steering cycling test like I show in the 2nd video.
 
It looks to me like there is wobble in the tire.

I'm curious to know what you experience running less toe-in with a different set of wheels and tires.

I'm curious to know if you find any clunks doing the 9-3 steering cycling test like I show in the 2nd video.
With it being fathers day weekend, did not have any spare time to switch tires or rotate them. I can tell you by just moving the steering wheel back and forth there is some play and while driving the play is very evident also. I hope this week I can start checking things off on at a time.
 
DW issues once again!

Ok last winter I had my 07 JK with a RK 3.5 full flex lift tore down due to worn out ball joints and beefing up front axle housing and installing a high steer kit. Before I tore it down I was starting to get the DW and after replacing the drag link with a poly high steer, and a heavier duty Steering stablizer, and most important the ball joints. I got the jeep back on the road and I hardly ever get a chance to get this thing off road! The jeep was driving great after about 4 months I started getting a pop in the front end and found the problem and fixxed it, I thought. Had it tore down for about another couple of days, and after replacing 2 bolts that holds the wheel bearing in on the d/s. Still kept hearing a pop when I took off. checked everything and it was tight, so I FINALLY took the time and pulled into the shop and had one of my guys to get underneath when I creaped forward, and thats when we saw the the track bar on the axle side is working back and forth when the wheel is turned and then found a fresh wear mark on the p/s lower control arm. So this weekend going to take it back in and replace the track bar bolt and see if anything is ovaled out and go from there. Hopefully this will take care of my problem. But very good information.
 
I'm on a mission before the 2500 mile road trip!


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Just wanted to say thanks Planman.

I replaced my stock crap bolts with 9/16ths 3" long grade 8 shouldered bolts, grade 8 locking washers and nuts.

I had only about 2-3K miles on my aftermarket trackbar and the sleeve in the bushing definitely was ribbed from the crap stock bolts. The bolts were loose in the sleeves also and were tightened to 125lbs.

The reason I did the swap of bolts was because my Jeep was starting to show signs of early death wobble (Only 18K miles on her too). When I would hit any bump at speed, the steering wheel would jolt/shake. So before it did turn into death wobble/or getting any worse, time to fix it for good.

After replacing with the new bolts....it is like driving a different vehicle. The steering feels so much tighter. No more jolting of the steering wheel when hitting bumps. Man, I wish I had done this sooner.

I highly suggest everyone to do this. I have already told a few members in my club, and we will be doing their Jeeps as well.

Thanks again,
Alex
 
This thread is great. I had dw a few weeks back and checked underneath and the track bar bolts were moving all over. Swapped them out per the thread and everything was good. A week later it is back. Not as severe and noticeable at speeds (4o mph) for example. Also it seems mostly contained to steering wheel. Seems odd but if I grasp the wheel firmly when it starts I can sometimes stop it. This is driving me nuts, any suggestions would be great
 
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This thread is great. I had dw a few weeks back and checked underneath and the track bar bolts were moving all over. Swapped them out per the thread and everything was good. A week later it is back. Not as severe and noticeable at speeds (4o mph) for example. Also it seems mostly contained to steering wheel. Seems odd but if I grasp the wheel firmly when it starts I can sometimes stop it. This is driving me nuts, any suggestions would be great
The inspection checklist is in post #5 of this thread.


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THANK YOU

Planman,

Thank you for having done this writeup here and elsewhere. I've wanted to say that for a couple of years now.
I'm sure you've helped thousands of people, assuming they took the time to actually read and absorb the information you have so clearly presented.
I've never had DW (I'm diligent about checking suspension bolts) but, having written work instructions, I sincerely appreciate a good effort like this.

Good show, Sir! :beer: Bravo!:bounce:
 
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