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thanks. guess I will have to check the suspension this weekend because it was full-on DW where I had to come to a complete stop.
 
I have gone through and tightened every bolt I could find.
shimmy started the day I mounted the 37's. It has diminished as I got everything tightened to spec per the write up.
But I still can't get passed 72 on the highway.
shimmy starts around 40-45, diminishes from 50 to 70, and then starts up again around 73.
I have to check the rim to make sure they are okay. On wheel (of 5) had to be sent back due to dent from shipping, the replacement had to be sent back because it was really bad. So I am now wondering if other rims in my set are not well centered.
I am hoping that worst case I have to get a new set if wheels. Maybe alloy this time. Supposedly alloy wheels don't warp but steel wheels can.
 
I have gone through and tightened every bolt I could find.
shimmy started the day I mounted the 37's. It has diminished as I got everything tightened to spec per the write up.
But I still can't get passed 72 on the highway.
shimmy starts around 40-45, diminishes from 50 to 70, and then starts up again around 73.
I have to check the rim to make sure they are okay. On wheel (of 5) had to be sent back due to dent from shipping, the replacement had to be sent back because it was really bad. So I am now wondering if other rims in my set are not well centered.
I am hoping that worst case I have to get a new set if wheels. Maybe alloy this time. Supposedly alloy wheels don't warp but steel wheels can.
what brand of wheels did you get?
 
I have gone through and tightened every bolt I could find.
shimmy started the day I mounted the 37's. It has diminished as I got everything tightened to spec per the write up.
But I still can't get passed 72 on the highway.
shimmy starts around 40-45, diminishes from 50 to 70, and then starts up again around 73.
I have to check the rim to make sure they are okay. On wheel (of 5) had to be sent back due to dent from shipping, the replacement had to be sent back because it was really bad. So I am now wondering if other rims in my set are not well centered.
I am hoping that worst case I have to get a new set if wheels. Maybe alloy this time. Supposedly alloy wheels don't warp but steel wheels can.
Are you sure all wheels/tires are balanced? Sounds like a problem I had with balancing before. Also,I am assuming the 37's are new/unused? Uneven wear can do these things too. How bout driveline?
 
can a properly setup front-end have DW when running disconnected on the road after hitting a pot hole?

I use to have DW and thought it was fixed a while back after adding front/rear adj trackbars. I then added front adj lower arms and the jeep drove great! after wheeling this past weekend i left my swaybar disco'ed and experienced the DW today while going over a pot hole.

I am going to inspect the trackbar and arms this weekend but was curious if the disco could make it DW

thanks
Are your front lower control arms adjusted correctly for caster? I installed an OME suspension and it was beautiful with the factory control arms. I added fr. lwr. adjustable arms and adjusted them to the slightly longer recommended starting point. (23",oem was 22 5/8" c-c)All seemed fine until I hit a bump on rough country road while in a turn at 50 mph or so. Major DW,then it did it again. I shortened arms back to stock setting then had it aligned. I was within 1 degree or so (under) the correct length for caster. I then installed a new set of tires and all is good again. (I can feel that something got damaged from DW. May be sector shaft,I feel just a slight metal to metal slop in steering that was never there. If I open hood and grab the steering coupler and turn back and forth,I can feel and hear it. Very slight,but definite).
 
Are you sure all wheels/tires are balanced? Sounds like a problem I had with balancing before. Also,I am assuming the 37's are new/unused? Uneven wear can do these things too. How bout driveline?
New rims, new tires, shimmy from day one. Decreased some after tightening everything.

Wheel are Unique series 297 steel.

Gonna take my Jeep in to a truck tire place to check the balance. My 37's are small compared to the tires those guys are used to.

Lift is only 2.5" so drive line angle should be okay.

Not being able to do 80 kept my brother-in-law going slower
 
Took it to Piedmont Truck tire today. Rotate and balance. That finally did it. Just have to buy 4 lugs because I lost the lug key and said okay to the "last resort" tool.

I was correct in my assumption that since PTT does big rig tires and wheels that my 37's would be no problem.
$40 for the job.
Next test will be 80MPH. Passed the 60MPH test.
 
Took it to Piedmont Truck tire today. Rotate and balance. That finally did it. Just have to buy 4 lugs because I lost the lug key and said okay to the "last resort" tool.

I was correct in my assumption that since PTT does big rig tires and wheels that my 37's would be no problem.
$40 for the job.
Next test will be 80MPH. Passed the 60MPH test.
Sweet. I have had some pretty funky things happen when rotating and not checking balance. It's amazing what a slightly out of balance tire can do to your ride quality.
 
Awesome post, Plan!

I am just embarking on my DW investigation, unfortunately! It started two weeks ago after two days of wheeling the black hills at jeep jamboree. I have had my jeep lifted for about a year now with no issues until now.

I am running a 3.5" clayton lift with all adjustable arms, and clayton track bar, as well as the clayton high steer kit with their weld on track bar mount on the axle side and JKS brace on frame side. I have retorqued all bolts to factory specs, as well as had my Fiancee cycle the wheel back and forth while inspecting all conection points. I did not spot any movement out of the ordinary.

Could a "loose" sector shaft cause DW? Mine has always had the "clunk" to it, but it seems worse after the wheeling trip. I did not see any excessive movement of it during inspection, I can just feel it in the steering wheel.

Also, if I remember correctly, my caster is around 6-7 degrees. I will try getting it around that 4-5 range. But like I said, it has not death wobbled since lifted for the past year.

And one more thing. What is the procedure for checking the unit bearings once the calipers and rotors are removed?
 
Took it to Piedmont Truck tire today. Rotate and balance. That finally did it. Just have to buy 4 lugs because I lost the lug key and said okay to the "last resort" tool.

I was correct in my assumption that since PTT does big rig tires and wheels that my 37's would be no problem.
$40 for the job.
Next test will be 80MPH. Passed the 60MPH test.
Well, the shimmy is back. Starts at 40. smooths out at 50 and comes back above 70.
Everything is tight. Do I need to swap out the Rock Krawler progressive rate springs and go to a stiffer single rate spring? Is there a 2.5" lift single rate spring?
Moog tie rod ends and ball joints maybe?
 
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Well, the shimmy is back. Starts at 40. smooths out at 50 and comes back above 70.
Everything is tight. Do I need to swap out the Rock Krawler progressive rate springs and go to a stiffer single rate spring? Is there a 2.5" lift single rate spring?
Moog tie rod ends and ball joints maybe?
I answered on jeepforum.
 
First, I want to say this looks like a great write up. As i'm reading thru it, it seems like a lack of maintainence may be the root cause of my issues.

Re-Torquing the Track Bar Every Oil Change and/or Wheeling Trip? Are people really doing this? Seems like alot of work!

I'm at just over 45K miles (not quite 2 years) since the last time my front end has been torqued in any way (I don't own a torque wrench).
 
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Re-Torquing the Track Bar Every Oil Change and/or Wheeling Trip? Are people really doing this? Seems like alot of work!
It maybe takes all of 1 minute to re-torque the front 2 trackbar bolts. You can buy a nice torque wrench for $99 shipped right now from one of the guys in the Vendor Section.


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Re-Torquing the Track Bar Every Oil Change and/or Wheeling Trip? Are people really doing this? Seems like alot of work!

I'm at just over 45K miles (not quite 2 years) since the last time my front end has been torqued in any way (I don't own a torque wrench).
Doesn't seem unreasonable to me. If you want to play with modified vehicles you will need to maintain them and have the tools to do so. Or, potentially have more issues and pay someone to.
 
With the exemption of off set ball joints, and testing other wheels, I believe Ive done everything you listed. I installed my RK 2.5 aluminum a couple of weeks ago and had immediate DW. Added to this lift was a PP trackbar bracket and a sector shaft bracket that has since been removed. Once the steering bracket was removed there was a huge difference. I however still get the DW while hitting a ripple if not a pothole on a winding road. I gave up on diagnosing myself and brought it to my local 4wp four times now. They swear the aluminum trackbar in my kit gives too much (if miniscule) flex to cause this. I am at a loss what to do, as it drives gorgeous on straight roads with bumps, but as soon as there is a wave in a turn, all hell breaks loose. Ball joints good, castor good, jam nuts cinched, aligned, TREs good to go, axle centered, balanced tires three times to be sure, 30 PSI, wheel straight, toe in good. Even tried turning ESP off to see if the computer was causing problems. I'm at a loss.
Is it possible the the aluminum threads of the trackbar are more malleable where they just won't bite correctly? I thought about buying their steering kit, but it is for 3.5 lift and above. I would talk to them directly but they are at SEMA and I need my DD drivable in this pothole forsaken city. May be return my aluminum for a steel TB?
Thanks in advance for your help. I've been beating my head against a wall too long over this. That c-4, and det cord is sounding pretty good about now.;)
 
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With the exemption of off set ball joints, and testing other wheels, I believe Ive done everything you listed. I installed my RK 2.5 aluminum a couple of weeks ago and had immediate DW. Added to this lift was a PP trackbar bracket and a sector shaft bracket that has since been removed. Once the steering bracket was removed there was a huge difference. I however still get the DW while hitting a ripple if not a pothole on a winding road. I gave up on diagnosing myself and brought it to my local 4wp four times now. They swear the aluminum trackbar in my kit gives too much (if miniscule) flex to cause this. I am at a loss what to do, as it drives gorgeous on straight roads with bumps, but as soon as there is a wave in a turn, all hell breaks loose. Ball joints good, castor good, jam nuts cinched, aligned, TREs good to go, axle centered, balanced tires three times to be sure, 30 PSI, wheel straight, toe in good. Even tried turning ESP off to see if the computer was causing problems. I'm at a loss.
Is it possible the the aluminum threads of the trackbar are more malleable where they just won't bite correctly? I thought about buying their steering kit, but it is for 3.5 lift and above. I would talk to them directly but they are at SEMA and I need my DD drivable in this pothole forsaken city. May be return my aluminum for a steel TB?
Thanks in advance for your help. I've been beating my head against a wall too long over this. That c-4, and det cord is sounding pretty good about now.;)
Even one episode of violent DW can damage other components. The only way to fix the problem is to inspect everything in one sitting.

Have you checked for...?

cracks or flex in bracket welds
damaged axle side upper control arm bushings
too much caster (more than 4.5 degrees)
ovaled bracket bolt holes

and all the other items in the inspection checklist?

When you had someone cycle the steering with you underneath the front end inspecting each component visually, manually, and auditorily, were there any clunks or unusual movement/play?

Have you replaced the stock 14 mm bolts with 9/16" bolts?
 
Even one episode of violent DW can damage other components. The only way to fix the problem is to inspect everything in one sitting.

Have you checked for...?

cracks or flex in bracket welds --Yes
damaged axle side upper control arm bushings --Yes
too much caster (more than 4.5 degrees) --No, not myself, but four men at 4wp said it is to spec
ovaled bracket bolt holes --clean, including Poly Performance brace

and all the other items in the inspection checklist?

When you had someone cycle the steering with you underneath the front end inspecting each component visually, manually, and auditorily, were there any clunks or unusual movement/play?--no

Have you replaced the stock 14 mm bolts with 9/16" bolts?-- I used the bolts from PP/QUOTE]

This is why I am stuck with thinking my trackbar has a problem. I understand that the aluminum bar itself has been hardened for strength. But how can a fine thread be expected to hold at such a narrow tooth? Again, I am searching for any answer. I wish there was a RK rep in the Atlanta area. As far as I know, I have done everything I can, plus pay guys at 4wp and we all got nothing. This lift is locked down hard and is a Cadillac on the highway.
It's the urban baha that's killing me. Winding roads full of waves and potholes are putting the hurtbag on.
Thanks for your help regardless. I think I may have to go to the dealer for some assraping. I'm going to try RK first to see if a steel TB will help first though. This really sucks.
 
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