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^ Sweet, I will be calling Teraflex and BFG to find out why these long arms and 37" tires are making my steering wheel bounce back and forth.

Great write up though. I am re-doing my entire steering system as a result of some pretty serious death wobble. I upgraded to poly's ball joints a year ago and I hope these aren't toast too.

Neither Teraflex or BFG will know why unless they performed the kinds of inspections I show and describe at the beginning of this thread.

There is nothing in their products that inherently cause death wobble.

Either something is worn, loose, or incorrectly installed.


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Neither Teraflex or BFG will know why unless they performed the kinds of inspections I show and describe at the beginning of this thread.

There is nothing in their products that inherently cause death wobble.

Either something is worn, loose, or incorrectly installed.


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My sarcasm didn't translate as well as I hoped in my prior post. I just thought it was funny that Chrysler makes that statement, "you may consult your aftermarket equipment manufacturer or vehicle modifier for repair suggestions".

And yes, my tie rod ends are worn and the passenger side drag link end.
 
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My sarcasm didn't translate as well as I hoped in my prior post. I just thought it was funny that Chrysler makes that statement, "you may consult your aftermarket equipment manufacturer or vehicle modifier for repair suggestions".



And yes, my tie rod ends are worn and the passenger side drag link end.

Got it. That is funny.


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Thank you planman for your great input on this thread. I had a slight wobble from 40mph-50mph for about the past year. It wasn't all too bad so I let it go for a bit. The wobble gradually got worse and I was coming up on the end of my warranty so I decided to take it in. Dealer replaced the ball joints without hassle but stated that some of the wobble remained because of tire wear. Tires had just been balanced the weak prior in my attempt at solving the problem. Needless to say the wobble was still there in full force. Finally today I had the wife jump in and start steering left-right-left etc and noticed slight play in the track bar bracket on the passenger side. The play was only about 1mm. I torqued the ever living snot out of the bolts and viola no more death wobble.

I think I still may get the 9/16 bolt to replace it with and an unfriendly rock has me shopping for a new steering damper but for now the issue is solved and the steering wheel isn't bouncing all over the place.

Thanks again to those who contribute to the threads.
 
Hey Planman,

I was wondering if you could take a look at these pics and tell me what your thoughts are. I was in the process of unloading all the control arm bushings when I noticed this and figured you were the best person to ask.

The first is the drivers side upper control arm bushing where it mounts to the axle. It appears as thought the bushing is working its way out of the mount. It is pressed in from left to right (as sitting in the drivers seat). It is no longer sitting flush against the flange. Since I do not have another vehicle to compare it to I wanted to run it past you. The next picture is the passenger side, which is flush against the flange, and also driven in from left to right.

If it should be pressed all the way flush, is it oriented the correct way, or should I replace it and drive it in from right to left to prevent it from working its way out again?

Thanks for your help.

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That's normal bud. I asked the same question way back. My axle bushings were in ok shape. I replaced them with JJ's and it improved handling. And tightened things up-up front.
Pain in the ass but well worth it.


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Just wanted to thanks for a great write-up! I installed a 3 1/4" lift on my '07 JK 2 door about two weeks ago, and just this past week discovered the DW issue. Having just bought this JK from the Ford dealer where I work two months ago, I was present when it was run through the shop for check-out. They replaced all the ball joints, brake pads and rotors, and had done an alignment. Now with the lift installed, I had planned the alignment soon, then the DW struck. Thanks to your write-up, I found both outer tie rod ends had vertical movement and they have now been replaced and the alignment was completed. The DW has disappeared. If by chance it returns, I know how to diagnose the system.

Greg
 
how much movement should the track bar have on the frame end? I have rebuilt the polyperformance bushing and replaced bolt to grade 8 9/16. all other connections are good. I did howeve found a crack on the weld of my currie inner c.
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could this also cause DW? only other thing i need to check is the caster, which i have to do some research to see what the Ideal setting is for 40" tires.
 
how much movement should the track bar have on the frame end? I have rebuilt the polyperformance bushing and replaced bolt to grade 8 9/16. all other connections are good. I did howeve found a crack on the weld of my currie inner c.

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could this also cause DW? only other thing i need to check is the caster, which i have to do some research to see what the Ideal setting is for 40" tires.

Yes ... Any play in the
track bar is not acceptable.
 
Planman's Help Did The Trick

Just wanted to say thanks to Planman again. My JK's death wobble did return this past winter and just this past Saturday, I was finally able to go through the front end again using Planman's videos. I first replaced the trackbar bolts with the 9/16 x 3" grade 8 bolts and noticed a big improvement in steering wheel feel on the road. Then I checked the draglink ends and found excessive play in both positions. Replaced both ends with Moog parts from my local parts supplier, centered the steering wheel and road tested. What a difference! Steering is much smoother through out the range of motion. The real test was today on interstate 95. I actually increased my speed and made it a point to hit all those potholes and expansion joints in the road. Not only is the death wobble gone, but all shimmies and shocks to the steering wheel are gone too!

My total job from day one is four ball joints, both tie rod ends, both drag link ends, lower control arm caster adjustment cams, and both trackbar bolts. It may sound like a lot, but my JK has 126,000 miles on it so it really needed it all.
 
Hi Planman
Thank you for your great videos and advice.
My 2013 JK that I brought hit with a bent front axle that I replaced is always has a shimmy (Shimmy defined as: at 40-55mph. It will also engage the traction control at speed on the highway. Any irregularities will cause the steering wheel to get a vibration. There is also a clunking noise at from the front end at any speed. Have taken it to alignment shops and 1 tell me it is good and the other says that he can not get it into tolerance as one of the shock mounts is slightly bent from the hit.
I have been driving it this way for a year and have put 8k miles on it. Do you have any ideas?
 
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Hi Planman

Thank you for your great videos and advice.

My 2013 JK that I brought hit with a bent front axle that I replaced is always has a shimmy (Shimmy defined as: at 40-55mph. It will also engage the traction control at speed on the highway. Any irregularities will cause the steering wheel to get a vibration. There is also a clunking noise at from the front end at any speed. Have taken it to alignment shops and 1 tell me it is good and the other says that he can not get it into tolerance as one of the shock mounts is slightly bent from the hit.

I have been driving it this way for a year and have put 8k miles on it. Do you have any ideas?


I'd suggest you go through the inspection checklist at the beginning of this thread.
 
Great videos on the Death wobble inspection. We have change alot of the parts and problem went away for a short time, now it is back. I have read that a bad ABS wheel sensor can also contribute to the death wobble as it incorrectly applies the brake on that wheel end. It usually happens at hiway speeds hitting a pot hole or bridge expansion joint.
What are your thoughts on the ABS ESB/BAS light issues?
Thank you
 
First of all WOW!!! Best write up I've read. So I got an odd one. I have a09 Rubicon Unlimited and when I brake I get a wobble in my driver side tire. I know because the brand new unworn spare I put on to see if was tire/rim related has chunks missing while the other side does not. Has synergy track bar and drag link, rock krawler lift with RK track bar.

Any suggestions would be great! I don't know if it falls into this category or not as it seems to just be one side.
 
NEW, UPDATED DIAGNOSIS CHECKLIST


[*]Have someone turn the engine on and turn slowly from full lock to full lock while I visually, manually (with my hands on the components), and auditorily inspect for any play in the tie rod ends, drag link ends, sector shaft, trackbar ends/bolts/brackets, and trackbar bracket welds.
[*]Then, do the same thing but with short, sharp, quick back and forth turns of the steering wheel between the 10 o'clock and 2 o'clock positions, instead of the slow, lock to lock approach.

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are there any videos that can show what all the joints and what not should look like when turning the wheel?
 
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