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To be fair I've done both. My old ranger didn't have one and my Jeep does. With that said I've been watching a ton of offroad recovery fail videos and every single one I see is with a pull strap and not a winch. I can see if you're doing some light trails but some of these trucks are hitting mud deeper than I've ever seen and still nobody with them has a winch. I just dont get it.
 

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If they're playing in mud that deep, I could only assume they're not that bright to begin with.

Although, I will say, on the trail I've seen more people utilizing tow straps than winches to get over obstacles quickly.


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I wheeled my xj for a couple years with no winch. Always had a high lift and misc. straps and never needed a winch. It limited where I would go and with whom.
 

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I wheeled my xj for a couple years with no winch. Always had a high lift and misc. straps and never needed a winch. It limited where I would go and with whom.
I only had straps and tools never a high lift. this is what I've had to deal with without a winch
 

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Because they don't plan on getting stuck at the mall....


I've wheeled with out winch 1 time and that's all it took. Last time I used a high lift I got smacked in the head with the handle, cut my ear in half , gave me a fun concussion.. so I'll just stick with a winch no matter what!

Unless someone is planning on going on fairy trails they prolly don't even think about getting one. But then you have some of Americas finest getting nuts high in mud in their trucks then getting stuck.. in return they end up ripping off a bumper with a strap or bending a frame.
 

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Because they don't plan on getting stuck at the mall....


I've wheeled with out winch 1 time and that's all it took. Last time I used a high lift I got smacked in the head with the handle, cut my ear in half , gave me a fun concussion.. so I'll just stick with a winch no matter what!

Unless someone is planning on going on fairy trails they prolly don't even think about getting one. But then you have some of Americas finest getting nuts high in mud in their trucks then getting stuck.. in return they end up ripping off a bumper with a strap or bending a frame.
You don't know how to use a hi lift, doesn't mean no-one else can.
Not all wheeling is mud. Personally hate it, but we don't have the fairy trails here that you know so much about.
 

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Most of us wheeling friends have winches, but most of the time a stuck Jeep just need a gentle tug with a strap. In the last 5 years I have only use my winch 3 times. My one friend with out a winch, wants me to winch downed trees out of the way all the time. I told him every time to get his winch and winch it and then he would say, but I don't have a winch. To witch I will say, then I guess the down tree will just stay there. I am not going to burn up my winch to pull stupid trees out of the way. And btw, these trees are normally at least 4' in diameter and 30' plus long.
 

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About 90% of the people I wheel with have a winch. That being said 90% of the time we just put a tow strap on and use the jeep in front of them to help them over an obstacle (not a lot of mud here in AZ). We usually put the guys running 37's in front so that they can make it over the obstacle. Then if needed we can help out the guys running 35's or running stock.

In the 8 years I have had the winch on I have only had to use it twice.
 

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I know personally, I grew up mudding in Virginia and mostly because funds were tight, none of us had winches. Always ran with at least 2-3 vehicles and we used snatch straps, hundreds of recoveries and fortunately we never had any issues and it worked well. Now I can afford a winch so I have one, but I still like the idea of wheeling with 2-3 vehicles, but the security factor feels higher with the winch anyway.
 

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Because they don't plan on getting stuck at the mall....


I've wheeled with out winch 1 time and that's all it took. Last time I used a high lift I got smacked in the head with the handle, cut my ear in half , gave me a fun concussion.. so I'll just stick with a winch no matter what!

Unless someone is planning on going on fairy trails they prolly don't even think about getting one. But then you have some of Americas finest getting nuts high in mud in their trucks then getting stuck.. in return they end up ripping off a bumper with a strap or bending a frame.
I see more winches at the mall than on the trail...
 
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