You missed my point JDaPP. I do not wish to argue with you or anyone on this forum, it serves no purpose.

People should reply no matter what the original poster wants if it relates to safety of a life, especially a child.

Do I know for a fact it puts the life of a person in danger (regardless of age). No, neither do you or the original poster. However, if you look at the provided photo it appears that it could do so (we don't know the details of that accident). If somebody is considering to follow this write up they need to be aware of that risk.

For the sake of not arguing a pointless battle I will not post again in this thread. I feel I have made my point and do not wish to continue.

 

Just going off of this picture, if the roll bar on a 4 door terminates at the body at the same point as a 2 door, then this 3rd row seat is placed significantly further back than the rear seat in a 2 door. In a 2 door the seat is placed in front of the roll bar. The placement of the 3rd row also places the occupants head out of the halo of the roll bar, similar to the CJ and older YJ angular roll bars, which we know to be dangerous in a roll over situation. If there is no actual data to determine if the rear area of a 4 door is safe for children, I'm going to err on the side of safety. Everyone has to choose which risks in life to take. I'm not saying everyone should live in a boring bubble and never take risks or do anything fun. But when it comes to children (I don't even have any) I would do everything in my power to keep them safe. That's just me.

 

Need a minivan, but a minivan. No ******* way I'd put kids in that third row seat. I'm sure Chrysler does spend money on engineering the vehicle to protect passengers. Just waiting for the massive law suit to hit TF when someone gets killed using this idiotic product.

 

OK, so if the frame and body in the rear of a 4-door are identical to the rear section of the 2-door, and the seat is factory, it located is the same position relative to the rear, the mount is as strong or better than the factory 2-door mount, assuming whatever seat belts you use are as adequate as the stock 2-door ones.

Exactly how is the product idiotic? The engineering does not change just because Chrysler didn't do it for us. It seems to me that the steadfast clinging to the idea that somehow it's just not safe seems a little superstitious and idiotic to me.

To the OP, and others in the thread, thanks for the helpful information. I think I may give this a try.

 

The rollbar is different. The crash protection the rear is different. One lawsuit for this product will bankrupt Teraflex.

 

Oh, now I see. the 2-door roll bar is actually a weaker design having a 90 degree bend it in, as opposed to the 4-door's relative straight section up until the rear horizontal and with a 45 degree angle rather than a 90. Not exactly making the case that it's somehow less safe.

What's different about the crash protection? I can see that a third row position would have less protection than the 2nd row of a 4-door, but how would the third row in a 4-door differ from the rear seat position in a 2-door? Looking at the frame there is no crumple features hydroformed into it. Plus the added mass of the 4-door provided some inherent protection, which may actually make the third row in a 4-door safer than the rear seat in a 2-door, at least for rear impacts.

 

I did the install in mine and have lap belts. It is a great seat and with the evo tire carrier it helps beef the rear a little more. As with all custom things I know there is risk, but lifted up I know it helps!


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Sorry, but I have to agree that this seat (minus belt and bracket differences) isn't going to be any less safe than the stock position is a 2dr JK. The frame rails are identical between the 2dr and 4dr JK with the exception that the 4dr has a longer straight section in the middle. With as flimsy as the sheet metal is on the JK's the only crash protection/crumple zone you're getting is in the frame itself.

Also, look at that picture of the wrecked JKU. It was obviously hit hard by something big and tall. Other than the spare tire being pushed in it looks like the main point of impact was above the rear bumper and below the tail lights. The whole jeep is pushed in and you can see the 2nd row seats have been moved out of position by the impact. The rockers are distorted under the front doors as well. You basically took a worse case scenario picture and tried to present it as a common instance. If that same rear impact had happened to a 2dr JK the damage would have been all the way up to the A-pillar. You might as well have shown a picture of a JK being crushed in a car crusher and then said it was why you don't trust OR-Fab's cage kit.

 

Also, crash testing for the NHTSA is a frontal impact against a solid barrier at 30mph and side impact at 30mph. They don't do rear impact testing. Its actually interesting that they don't considering typically on the other end of the frontal impact is the rear end of another vehicle.

 

Looks great! Do you know if you can use the second row of a TJ with the TeraFlex brackets?