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My 2012 came with the Dual Top Group. Delivered with the hard top in place, and the soft top is mounted in the cargo area. Was doing some reading last night and read that the soft top must be removed from the vehicle, cannot be kept attached to the vehicle as damage is possible. Not sure how it would be damaged? My question.........Manual states hard top muct be removed in order to remove soft top!!! Is this true? No way am I prepared to remove the hard top to get the soft top out. Anyone pulled this stunt off without removing the hard top (HT)? I did see that there are a few bolts that need removal that have their bolt heads facing the HT glass, thus maybe no room for a tool. Any Dual Top Groups owners out there with experience on this issue?

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You have to remove the hard top to get the soft top frame out. You could pull the soft top without the frame but I would not recommend it as it leaves the frame in place and defeats the purpose. It would also be a PITA to reinstall. Not sure how the soft top would get damaged while in there but if you don't plan to use it you could just take it out and sell it. :beer::beer:
 

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If you need help figuring out how to do it I can help you out but you would need another person to lift the hard top.
 

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Thank you for the feedback. Well what a clusterf(*^ this will be. I can't believe the HT has to come off for this! I am all for soft tops, and no top, but sure don't want this project right now. As far as I can tell, my HT is not leaking, but what are the odds that I get it back on and still remain leakproof? Crap!!! Guess it is time to rig up a top removal hoist. Was thinking a 2x4 wooden frame, eye-bolt in the ceiling, and a come-a-long. Sounds like a good weekend project. Anyone with a picture of a home-built HT removal system?

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Damage potential noted. Well, need to get the darn thing out, as loading anything in the cargo area is a pain with the soft top there. It is coming out this weekend, hopefully. Will be a good time to get to know the process for HT removal. Soft top is going on come end of March, but don't think I want to wait 3 months with very little cargo space.

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its not that big of a deal, hardly a clusterfuck. Just take off the panels, undo 6 bolts and you and a buddy lift from each side. Just be careful, as they are back heavy because of the rear glass. Find a soft place to set it down for a minute, and you're good to go.
 

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Thank you for the feedback. Well what a clusterf(*^ this will be. I can't believe the HT has to come off for this! I am all for soft tops, and no top, but sure don't want this project right now. As far as I can tell, my HT is not leaking, but what are the odds that I get it back on and still remain leakproof? Crap!!! Guess it is time to rig up a top removal hoist. Was thinking a 2x4 wooden frame, eye-bolt in the ceiling, and a come-a-long. Sounds like a good weekend project. Anyone with a picture of a home-built HT removal system?

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It's WAY easier and cheaper to just buy some beer and call two friends. Two people can remove a HT with a bit of struggle, three people do it easy as pie. Rather than jackassing around with pulling the HT just to REMOVE the soft top.. why not pull the HT, store it and just go with the soft top. Unless you'll be doing a ton of highway speed driving when it's 10f or below, you'll be fine. The heater will keep you plenty warm.. and the soft top does hold in more heat than you'd expect.

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And while you have the hard top off - sell it. Soft top is the way to go:beer:
 

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It's WAY easier and cheaper to just buy some beer and call two friends.
Added notation - though your wife or gf might be the most easily accessable for a two person removal, make all attempts to find another person(s) for said task. The purpose of this is two-fold: (1) wife/gf dropping their portion of the HT does not make for pleasant dinner conversation, (2) wife/gf stuggling with their load during removal process may initiate/increase resentment towards jeep and therefore negatively affect future mod purchases. :laughing:
 

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All tips noted and appreciated. I just may go with the soft top install, and call it good for the rest of winter. Jeep is parked in the garage every night. I can seel the HT, love that top. If it is warm enough this weekend, soft top may go on. Think I read that the temp needs to be above 41 degrees in order to roll out the soft top?

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Remove HT in the driveway ( unless you have crazy clearance in the garage ) Pull the jeep into the garage... crank up the heat... wait a bit. THEN start playing with the soft top. The warmer ANY soft top is, the easier they are to deal with. The windows tend to get VERY hard to manage when cold.
 

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I have "crazy clearance" in the garage, and HT will be stored as high as I can get it in the garage. No heat in the garage though. We have been in the 50's, so I will fire up my portable heater, see if that gets me a few more degrees.
 

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HT has been removed! It is currently suspended from the ceiling. Four eye-bolts in the ceiling, two 16 foot tie-down straps, and top is off, $60 and about one hour install. It will get easier each time I do it. I probably won't sleep well tonight for fear of the top falling. Tomorrow I will either remove the soft top and remove and set the HT back in place.
 
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