Not 100% on this, but I think a lot of their products were having fitment issues the other year. Not sure if this is still an ongoing issue or not. I saw pics of their rocker guards last year and they fit like crap in the pics. The recent ones I've seen show them fitting much better. Product or installer being the cause, not sure.

Sure someone with 1st hand will get back to you.

 

I like my RH cage, even if it does bow the center of the dash a bit.
I think some of the dash bowing issues are install problems.
When you install the bar across the dash, raising or lowering it just a little tiny bit on the side tubes it mounts to will make a big difference in how hard you 'squeeze' the dash.
Theres also the issue some people have with the doors rubbing the side plates, but I never had that problem.

I really don't understand making a choice between these two as your next mod?
The RH is a chunk of change and a safety item.

Exhaust - even if you blow a bunch of money on a bolt on deal that goes in the stock location, it's just a noise thing. Zero to very little performance gain.
For exhaust, it makes a lot more sense to just buy a muffler, do 2 quick cuts and slip it in under the drivers seat. It's protected there, sounds better and even if you buy a kit to do it, it's under $350, if you buy the muffler and clamps (all you really need) it's under $100
I think I have $85 and 20 minutes in relocating a Flowmaster Super 44 under the seat.

 

Your 100% right on the whole exhaust scenario. So pretty much you believe its human cause on the bowing of the dash. If you happen to have a pic would like to see exactly how bad the damage was. Thanks for the heads up and advice. Now Il just have to decide what to buy if i go with neither. Could be smart and save it but I know I wont be when it comes to my JK
THANKS BRO

 

Here's my dash 'wrinkle'
crappy pic but its a zoom on another pic, you can see the tan part bows up in the middle

I went a LONG time without even noticing since you cant see it from the inside with the bar across and a daystar upper panel

 

Thanks 4 the fast reply. Such small amount of damage for a sweet looking cage plus you cant even see it from the inside. But just be a fair trade off.
THANX Bro

 

If you look at this pic

See how the side bars are angled?
If you move the cross bar up just a little, it would try to 'spread' the dash instead of 'squeezing' it.
Of course it's gonna have to do it by flexing the side plates a little and I think thats where you run into door rubbing.
The side plates are 1/4" steel so you aren't gonna flex them too much, but the bolt to the pinch seems on the very front (firewall edge) of the plate so it may be possible that people are twisting them just enough to get them to rub.
I dunno.
Plus there are always gonna be manufacturing variances from vehicle to vehicle.

 

Started to have a lifted and loaded flashback for a second. Mass and CAPS!!!

Ive only seen two rockhards installed and both were pretty good fits. Biggest problem with both were when trying to close the doors on the subframe plate.

 

Started to have a lifted and loaded flashback for a second. Mass and CAPS!!!

It is

 

I just ordered my wrinkled black finish full cage from RockHard through Outlaw Offroad. Can't wait. Personally I'd much rather survive a roll over than bolt on some exhaust kit that won't gain me power. Just my 2 cents.

 

Yep, I bought one yesterday as well... My daughter has claimed fairly exclusive rights to Jeeping with dad, so this will make me feel a lot better, JIC...

 

Daughter? :bounce:

 

We have twin 8 y/o girls... Obviously they didn't get to meet you - yet...

 

HAHA ummm errrr uhhhh hey, what's going on over in that other thread...... :emb:

 

You should look at the cage Poly Perf has out now. This is what I will get for my jeep. You do have to weld it in though. I like that the front legs go to the floor.

 

As far as for my Jeep....

I have seen the pictures of the Poly and have no doubt that it is stronger than the competition but my JK is not a dedicated trail rig and I don't really want the vertical tubing into the footwells. Rock Hard tubing appears that it would provide the necessary roll protection I need. The Poly's rear section is much better IMO than the Rock Hard and not intrusive at all to the occupants.

Once I see how the kit is installed in Hitmoney's rig I will see what direction I go in.

 

Hi there Sturdy, I just responded to your PM.

Overall I am VERY happy with my Rock Hard cage. After I installed it (but before I tightened all the collars up) I thought I was going to have to trim my Freedom Top panels on the side to make it fit. I called up Rock Hard directly and spoke to their sales guy James. This dude is TOP NOTCH!! He actually lives here in Phx and offered to come by and help me install it. I didn't have the time right then but came back to it a week or so later and after I tightened the collars all up (6 bolts each) they squeed in enough for the panels to fit without trimming.

I haven't had any of the door rub issues, any squeezed dash or other fitment issues. For $480 for the cage + $69 to powdercoat, I am EXTREMELY happy!!

 

$480!!! Nice! Wonder when that will happen again.

 

let the games begin lol

 

Can't wait to get mine in - I'm having it finished to match my Smittybilt front/rear bumpers and sliders.

 

im very happy with mine

although i do have the bowed dash problem as well, but you cant see it, and it doesnt bother me anymore

the cage is really nice, i would definitely reccomend it to anyone

 

Wait, so some Jeeps have the dash problem and some don't? How does that work?

 

Did you guys see the bow right away or did it happen over time? I don't want to get worried as I don't have it right now...

 

Sick rig! I think you are missing the over head T's collars aft of the windshield though?

 

i got the door rub and the dash bow along with the second grader welds

 

But did the bow happen right away or with time?

 

im not sure sdmf tol me his dash bowed and sure enuff mine is bowed also i have only had mine in fro a few months and has had a crappy fit from the begining

 

I bought one of the first runs of the RH cage. I had some problems with the fitment but Louie at RH is the man and hooked me up, fixed everything. I don't live too far away from him either so he has used my JK to design a few parts (just for the 2 door as he owns a 4dr). So I had the cage for easily a year and just recently took it apart (the "a" pillar with the handles) and kept the "T" portion of the cage in place. I didn't like how it messed up my door on the passenger side but that isn't entirely Louie's fault upon further investigation; my door isn't hung very well after a body shop mutilated my Jeep. It is all good now but I am just going to build my own down bars or buy something from Poly and weld it in there myself.

So...in all RH stuff is great but NOTHING can replace a well built weld in cage tied into your floors or frame.

Exhaust is stupid unless you have a Hemi; don't waste your money. I put an intake and exhaust on my LJ and it sounded really mean but I think that mostly had to do with the mechanical fan blowing air around? Maybe, I'm not sure. I had the Banks exhaust and it was painful at about 2200 RPMs in the cab so I cut it out and got a muffler from Midas...something off brand and cheap, lighter restriction. Believe it or not, it sounded much better...should have started there in the first place as it would have only cost me $50.

 

I spoke to Outlaw Offroad today and they said it could be an install issue. When you were bolting the kit to the sides of your dash did you remove enough of the plastic? They think you are pinching the dash.

 

removing some of the dash isnt an issue but when you follow the directions theres no mention of removeing some out of the dash

 

When mine comes in next Friday or the following monday I'll take some pix and see what you guys with pinched dashes removed.

 

sounds like there are enough issues with the install that you may want to do a write-up for the library

 

STURDY,

I HAVE A ROCKHARD CAGE FOR SALE. I NEVER INSTALD ITCAUSE IM GETTIN A TRUEULY AWESOME KAGE INSTALLED CUSTOM BY SOME GUYS I TRAIN WITH AND THEY ALSO FABRICATE ALLKINDS OF OTHER STUFF LET ME KNOW IFD UR INTRESTD OTHER WISE ILL PROB JUST SELL IT TO MY SISTER OR COUSIN BUT THEY WONT BE ABLE TO BUY IT FOR LONG TME SINCE THEY DONT HAVE THE CASH I GOTS NOW I WONT TOO HELP THEM BUT CANT RIGHT NEW. IM LOOKING AT SELLIG FOR $300 ITS NOT POWDERCOTED BUT IT IS BRAIND NEW.

 

IF THIS IS "LIFTEDANDLOADED" JOKE THEN...

If you really do have the cage for sale then send me a PM.

 

GRATE KAGE GINESSE

BRAIND NEW.....Nope, still the same old LIFTED AND RE-LOADED

 

Dude has to be in high school.