I tried to avoid getting HP tuners, I didn’t want the expense just to turn off some lights - which is why Motech suggested it, but never told me what to do to turn off lights, and what lights to expect.Oh man, not good to hear!
I don't really have any way of confirming what year mine is other than they told me it was a 2018. Are there any markings or numbers anywhere on it I can check? The engine/trans/t-case are all out of 1 unit at least.
I called Motech twice before buying it and they reassured me I could do it and they would help me with everything over the phone. He did suggest I go ahead and buy HPTuners.
What problems did you have with them?
Damnit I haven't been getting notifications from this thread.I tried to avoid getting HP tuners, I didn’t want the expense just to turn off some lights - which is why Motech suggested it, but never told me what to do to turn off lights, and what lights to expect.
I used a remote tuner (guy) with an EFI live autocal. That didn’t work well, and most tuners will suggest to not mess with the Gen V engines in EFI live. So, had to get HP tuners anyway. I’m in just under $1,000 in tuning so far. Hopefully my tuner can get it setup right. About $175 of that was in licensing in EFI live, so you could easily avoid that. So far I have not licensed the Jeep computer to get into dash lights yet.
I suggest you power up the harness and read the computer at least to get the VIN. With the VIN you can figure out the year and with the year year you can make a plan.
Also look at the transmission computer. If it’s a t87 it’s pre 2017 and does not require a license credit. If it’s a t87a then it’s 2017+ and has to be sent to HP tuners to be unlocked and costs $200.
If the engine computer is 2016 or earlier it will require 2 credits ($100). If the engine computer is 2017+ it will require 4 HP tuners license credits ($200) license and is a more complex process to unlock. HP tuners will have to be connected to the internet and the computer the in order to unlock, but that’s just the first time.
My engine is a 2016 and wouldn’t make power. Motech said they have seen this problem before and sent me a file that is a 2015 operating system. That fixed it, but I also had to license that file for another $100. I don’t know if this is specific to 2016 or is a 2016+ issue.
These things add up quick. I didn’t plan to spend this much, and hopefully my learning curve can save someone some else money!
RPM Extreme told me over the phone today it would be 4-6 more months before they're ready to release their Gen V kits to the public. They did quote me 18k to install my engine for me thoughI can say that John at RPM Extreme really knows his shit. Great guy to deal with.
soooo you already have the motor/tranny, and just to install it is another 18k? did i read that correctlyRPM Extreme told me over the phone today it would be 4-6 more months before they're ready to release their Gen V kits to the public. They did quote me 18k to install my engine for me though
lol i guess so?? why is this stuff not going down like the tj parts did...i'm about to the point where we will just have to rip out all the wiring and do it old schoolLol, exactly. I figure based on there Gen4 kits, the Gen5 should be no more than 8k, so that leaves 10k in shop labor??
Oh that's great to hear buddy! Thanks for sharing your progress. I'll keep them in mind.Just wanted to update you on my swap’s status.
I was able to speak with Robbie for a while and went through the issues I had going on. He was able to walk me through it and get a lot of stuff sorted out.
I will say that HP tuners is a necessity to get the dash lights shut off and to get the tap shifting to work. It was also an additional $100 to license the Jeep computers. Robbie told me that the 2015+ Jeep computers are also encrypted and those will cost more to license (like GM 2017+).
I now have the cooling fan working correctly, tap shift, shifter is in the right location for the most part (PRNDM).
Just for fun, I put it in 4wd and took off down the street. It accelerated harder and shifted harder than before. I guess I didn’t realize the wheel spin in 2wd.
I wouldn’t cancel out using a Motech kit, but just know that it can be more involved than you think. In the end (if there is an end) it’s worth all the headache.
I’m available to pass off any knowledge I have gained through the process.