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i have been reading and searching in here, and im confused regarding lifts.

im building a jku for camping, fishing, and some mild wheeling, mostly to reach good camping spots. i have had to use the winch several times to get there, so, im not talking about just poorly maintained dirt roads....

anyways, this is also my daily driver, and it will also see some highway 2 or 3 times a year, when we have to drive 3 hours to go camping.... and i also tow a small bassboat maybe once a month for a couple of hours one way.....

my plan is to lift it 2.5 or 3" at most and put some 33 muds on it, and maybe in the future, 35s... so, im debating over which way to go. i have found lift kits like these, which replaces the stock coils:

http://www.4wheelparts.com/Lift-Kits-Suspensions-Shocks/2-5-Inch-Lift-Kit.aspx?t_c=1&t_s=38&t_pt=3533&t_pn=TER1351000

http://www.4wheelparts.com/Lift-Kits-Suspensions-Shocks/2-5-Inch-Lift-Kit.aspx?t_c=1&t_s=38&t_pt=3533&t_pn=TER1352000

http://www.4wheelparts.com/Lift-Kits-Suspensions-Shocks/2-5-Inch-Standard-Coil-Lift-Kit-No-Shocks.aspx?t_c=1&t_s=38&t_pt=3533&t_pn=R/ERE7141

this one even includes shocks but im not sure about the brand:

http://www.4wheelparts.com/Lift-Kits-Suspensions-Shocks/3-0-Inch-Lift-Kit-with-NGS-Shocks.aspx?t_c=1&t_s=38&t_pt=3533&t_pn=T/MTM3330-40053

and coil spacers like this one:

http://www.4wheelparts.com/Lift-Kits-Suspensions-Shocks/2-5-Inch-Budget-Boost-Lift-Kit.aspx?t_c=1&t_s=38&t_pt=3533&t_pn=TER1355210

i also read somewhere in here that after lifting, i need several other things besides the lift kit, such as wheel spacers, and brackets or adjustable control arms to correct caster.

so, which one would suit my needs best?? i have zero experience with lifting a vehicle with coils, my previous jeep was a YJ, SOA gave me more than enough lift on it....

EDIT: im also fabricating a front bumper with a winch, and a rear bumper with tire carrier, as well as rocksliders, so this will add some weight, maybe its something to consider when choosing one lift or the other....
 

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Out of those listed I would do a Teraflex 2.5" with their 9550 shocks and add their adjustable front track bar to it. Install it and see how you like the drive, odds are you won't feel the need for lower control arms, but if you do an inexpensive and effective fix would be some AEV, Rancho, or JKS front lower control arm brackets.

Keep it simple, no reason to go crazy for 33s, but the extra ground clearance and improved ride quality and handling of aftermarket coils are worth the investment. :)

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thanx. so, whats the purpose of the adjustable track bar??

and, i had read in here some people prefer the spacers to keep the stock coils and stock feel... do the aftermarket coils are better in handling or provide more comfort??
 

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if you do choose a Teraflex lift, I would consider different shocks. within a couple months both my front 9550 series shocks were leaking fluid. I also suspected one of their springs getting "soft". I wasn't happy with their products and sold what I could. I replaced it with a RE lift and couldn't be happier.
 

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I've had teraflex on both jeeps and couldn't be happier. I run bilstien 5100 shocks. I recently added aev control arm brackets and it made a big difference. That's my opinion! I had skyjacker on the 1st jeep for about 2 weeks and ripped it out as it was rough as hell. I've heard the teraflex coil lift and rancho adjustable shocks are a pretty awesome combo


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thanx!! great info.

so if i lift without adjustable trackbar, do i risk my axle not being centered?? or am i certain my axle wont be centered??

also, what about caster angle?? do i need to correct it?? one of the lifts i posted includes "Front Alignment washers for caster adjustment"... and i also found these AEV brackets which, as i understand, correct caster angle among other issues that can occur after lifting:

http://www.quadratec.com/products/16502_4301_07.htm

the reason i need to have it all defined prior to purchasing is that i live in Mexico and i have to drive 3.5 hours to get to the US. i would prefer to have the work done there, to insure everything is correct, besides, i think it could be cheaper. the local store charges almost $400 for installing Daystar 1 3/4" adapters, which Quadratec sells for $160 and dont seem like much work involved.

so, i need to have everything installed to avoid spending $200 on a trip to install $100 brackets....
 

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It's not a risk, it is a guarantee the axle won't be laterally or longitudinally centered (in wheel well) when you lift your JK. As the chassis goes up the front axle swings towards the driver side and backward as it pivots on the 5 links that support it (TB + 4 CAs). BTW, it also rotates counterclockwise which reduces the Caster angle.

The geometry brackets reduce the angle of the CAs which indirectly reduces the change in Caster angle but they do not provide any fine tuning. Some owners never notice or care about any of the changes introduced by the lift but others are more sensitive. It's your choice. The best way to adjust the Caster angle is to add adjustable lower CAs in front.
 

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Adjustable track bars allow you to center your axle under the jeep, from left to right.
I want to mention if your new to the online Jeep community. This is the only place you will get these kinds of NICE answers and not get Flammed for asking what an adjustable track bar does. Its a good question. With a simple answer.
 

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Negative Inconsiderate Condescending Explanations?

Yeah, you'll get a lot of those here. :lol:

(All in good fun). ;)
 

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It's not a risk, it is a guarantee the axle won't be laterally or longitudinally centered (in wheel well) when you lift your JK. As the chassis goes up the front axle swings towards the driver side and backward as it pivots on the 5 links that support it (TB + 4 CAs). BTW, it also rotates counterclockwise which reduces the Caster angle.

The geometry brackets reduce the angle of the CAs which indirectly reduces the change in Caster angle but they do not provide any fine tuning. Some owners never notice or care about any of the changes introduced by the lift but others are more sensitive. It's your choice. The best way to adjust the Caster angle is to add adjustable lower CAs in front.
thanx. so, with such a small lift (2.5"), do i really need adjustable control arms, and adjustable track bar?? maybe if i was goingo for 4" or more, but as you mention, some owners dont even notice, im guessing with this lift im planning on installing i may be one of them... or not, who knows....

how hard is it to install and properly adjust the adjustable track bar and control arms?? because i may just install the lift and see how i like it, and then if i feel there was a lot of change, i can order the parts and install them myself??
 

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I want to mention if your new to the online Jeep community. This is the only place you will get these kinds of NICE answers and not get Flammed for asking what an adjustable track bar does. Its a good question. With a simple answer.
i know!! its hard for me to understand puns and some bashing, as english is my second language and sometimes i dont really understand the humor or sense of some people... as sometimes it will be hard for people to understand what im trying to say....

but yes, i have found that this is a good forum, i was in 2 other forums when i had my YJ but those forums were pretty much useless.... and here in Mexico, its the same, a couple of people feel they know everything there is to know, they have done everything and can do it better than you, and they only reply to a post to try to show they are superior to everyone who ever drove a jeep.... the weird thing is, one of them died on a wheeling accident....
 

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if you do choose a Teraflex lift, I would consider different shocks. within a couple months both my front 9550 series shocks were leaking fluid. I also suspected one of their springs getting "soft". I wasn't happy with their products and sold what I could. I replaced it with a RE lift and couldn't be happier.

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The TF 2.5 without shocks or extensions supply's the better rear axle side TB bracket (axle position & roll center)
Pair it up with Rancho 9000 shocks.
The geo brackets are a nice addition
(Caster angle & ride comfort)
Finish off with a adjustable front track bar (axle center)
and 9/16 grade 8 bolt kit (DW prevention)
 

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Out of those listed I would do a Teraflex 2.5" with their 9550 shocks and add their adjustable front track bar to it. Install it and see how you like the drive, odds are you won't feel the need for lower control arms, but if you do an inexpensive and effective fix would be some AEV, Rancho, or JKS front lower control arm brackets.

Keep it simple, no reason to go crazy for 33s, but the extra ground clearance and improved ride quality and handling of aftermarket coils are worth the investment. :)

Marcus
I've been running this setup since 08 or so with 35's on my stock rubicon rims with the spydertrax wheel spacers with no problems. I didn't see a need for the adjustable track bar for such a basic small lift. I'm very satisfied with the improved clearance.
 

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i have been reading and searching in here, and im confused regarding lifts.

im building a jku for camping, fishing, and some mild wheeling, mostly to reach good camping spots. i have had to use the winch several times to get there, so, im not talking about just poorly maintained dirt roads....

anyways, this is also my daily driver, and it will also see some highway 2 or 3 times a year, when we have to drive 3 hours to go camping.... and i also tow a small bassboat maybe once a month for a couple of hours one way.....

my plan is to lift it 2.5 or 3" at most and put some 33 muds on it, and maybe in the future, 35s... so, im debating over which way to go. i have found lift kits like these, which replaces the stock coils:

http://www.4wheelparts.com/Lift-Kits-Suspensions-Shocks/2-5-Inch-Lift-Kit.aspx?t_c=1&t_s=38&t_pt=3533&t_pn=TER1351000

http://www.4wheelparts.com/Lift-Kits-Suspensions-Shocks/2-5-Inch-Lift-Kit.aspx?t_c=1&t_s=38&t_pt=3533&t_pn=TER1352000

http://www.4wheelparts.com/Lift-Kits-Suspensions-Shocks/2-5-Inch-Standard-Coil-Lift-Kit-No-Shocks.aspx?t_c=1&t_s=38&t_pt=3533&t_pn=R/ERE7141

this one even includes shocks but im not sure about the brand:

http://www.4wheelparts.com/Lift-Kits-Suspensions-Shocks/3-0-Inch-Lift-Kit-with-NGS-Shocks.aspx?t_c=1&t_s=38&t_pt=3533&t_pn=T/MTM3330-40053

and coil spacers like this one:

http://www.4wheelparts.com/Lift-Kits-Suspensions-Shocks/2-5-Inch-Budget-Boost-Lift-Kit.aspx?t_c=1&t_s=38&t_pt=3533&t_pn=TER1355210

i also read somewhere in here that after lifting, i need several other things besides the lift kit, such as wheel spacers, and brackets or adjustable control arms to correct caster.

so, which one would suit my needs best?? i have zero experience with lifting a vehicle with coils, my previous jeep was a YJ, SOA gave me more than enough lift on it....

EDIT: im also fabricating a front bumper with a winch, and a rear bumper with tire carrier, as well as rocksliders, so this will add some weight, maybe its something to consider when choosing one lift or the other....
The Teraflex 2.5" is ok, I would suggest the Rock Krawler 2.5" Stock Mod kit if your going for budget, I have installed it on several Jeeps. Excellent kit, comes with a new front track bar and rear track bar relocation bracket and new RK springs. Easy to install and actually lifts the vehicle 3" vs the named "2.5". Stock shocks work with the Rk kit just fine for a short while but as with any lift you will want to replace them sooner rather than later because they will be nearly maxed out and wont give you the ride you want.

You mentioned spring spacers....do yourself a favor and stay away from those. Get an honest spring lift that doesnt rely on poly boosters, they can get worn out and start shifting. I cant speak for JKs on popping out but my old TJ years ago had spacers and the first obstacle i drooped on the driver side rear fell right the hell out.

If you have the know-how and patience to fabricate bumpers yourself, a spring lift install will be a cake walk

Edit: I just saw that the 2.5" Teraflex was a true budget boost....you get what you pay for there. I am not saying they are not capable lifts, they work sure, but if its advice you seek then spend a tiny bit more for an honest coil lift....many of us started small and sunk money into the budget methods only to eat it soon after....save yourself some money over the long run and buy a legitimate lift up front, you will be happier.

You may want to invest in longer brake lines also with 2.5"+ kits, flexing a rubber line to the breaking point is no fun in the woods.
 

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i had never heard about Rock Krawler brand, is it reliable??

im assuming this is the one you mention Rubinon

http://www.quadratec.com/products/16189_2001.htm

it looks good, i would just need to replace the shocks for longer ones, but i could do that once i change tires, im running the stock tires for a while (still about 50% of life left). you mention its a true 3" lift, that could compensate for when i start adding weight...

i guess i could install the spring lift, but i would be worried about adjusting the track bar, its something i have zero experience on, when i did SOA to my YJ i removed the track bars alltogether.

looking at some other lifts on quadratec, i see that i can get something like a Rubicon Express

http://www.quadratec.com/products/16300_6011_07.htm

and an adjustable track bar for about $200 more, and that would put me in the same price range of the Rock Krawler.... besides, i could do it in steps, order the lift first and then if i feel the need, order the track bar...

i also found this one

http://www.quadratec.com/products/16117_1904_07.htm

a skyjacker with shocks, its a little bit more expensive but the shocks are a plus, and if i feel the need i can install the track bar later....

what do you think?? any negative opinions of any of these kits??
 

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i had never heard about Rock Krawler brand, is it reliable??



im assuming this is the one you mention Rubinon



http://www.quadratec.com/products/16189_2001.htm



it looks good, i would just need to replace the shocks for longer ones, but i could do that once i change tires, im running the stock tires for a while (still about 50% of life left). you mention its a true 3" lift, that could compensate for when i start adding weight...



i guess i could install the spring lift, but i would be worried about adjusting the track bar, its something i have zero experience on, when i did SOA to my YJ i removed the track bars alltogether.



looking at some other lifts on quadratec, i see that i can get something like a Rubicon Express



http://www.quadratec.com/products/16300_6011_07.htm



and an adjustable track bar for about $200 more, and that would put me in the same price range of the Rock Krawler.... besides, i could do it in steps, order the lift first and then if i feel the need, order the track bar...



i also found this one



http://www.quadratec.com/products/16117_1904_07.htm



a skyjacker with shocks, its a little bit more expensive but the shocks are a plus, and if i feel the need i can install the track bar later....



what do you think?? any negative opinions of any of these kits??
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Adjusting a track bar is very easy. If you did a spring over on a YJ, you can adjust a track bar. TB's are mandatory on coil spring rigs unless you triangulate the control arms and that's a whole different ball game.




Rock Krawler- very high quality, top notch company, very reliable

Rubicon Express - not too bad



Skyjacker - stay away
 
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