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A small group consisting of myself, Jack (Avenger Superchargers) and Sean in his buggy ran Carnage Canyon this past weekend. This is arguably the hardest trail in the State and is definately the hardest trail I have ever run.

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This trails get ugly from the very beginning with the entrace. Jack ripped off his driver rear tail light and I bent in a rear fender causing a little body damage as well (no biggie) and destroyed the license place mount. Jack got a few more "beauty" marks from there and I managed to rip both rear brakes lines and destroyed both rear shocks before the day was done. I may also need a new driveshaft...


I picked a few favorite pics below but you can see the whole able here:
http://s18.photobucket.com/user/bru...e&page=1&_suid=136741750602408141777888808699







 

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If you have something harder than this, then I probably need to do some serious upgrades.
Most of the Montrose and Rangely trails are harder. Upgrade!
 

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Trails look like fun. Everyone's perception of difficult is different. So it is hard to quantify. Looks pretty tough to me.

Thanks for sharing man.


As for those shocks... my suggestion would be to replace them with a set of 30.00 procomp 1000 series shocks. Yes, they ride like crap, but now that you will be wheeling more of the harder stuff, you will go through those rear shocks like water. If you do a bunch of road time, get yourself another set of the nice ones for driving around... just replace them with the shit shocks before wheeling. Your fronts are pretty safe unless you pull a rock up in there.
 

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As for those shocks... my suggestion would be to replace them with a set of 30.00 procomp 1000 series shocks. Yes, they ride like crap, but now that you will be wheeling more of the harder stuff, you will go through those rear shocks like water. If you do a bunch of road time, get yourself another set of the nice ones for driving around... just replace them with the shit shocks before wheeling. Your fronts are pretty safe unless you pull a rock up in there.
I like your thinking but I think I blew them out because of over extension. I think I am going to pick up the same set of shocks but this time:
http://www.jkowners.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1515614
 

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Yeah man... completely agree with that thinking.

A few trips back I ripped out a bar pin and rolled my axle forward.... got lucky and caught it right before it was going to be a BIG problem. Limit straps would prevent that... so on top of saving your shocks, it will give you another benefit that if ever needed, will save your wallet big time. Cheap insurance!

The rears are at a big disadvantage sitting where they do... I have seen guys run through very expensive shocks, just as I go through the cheap ones. Now my brute force style may not help the situation, but even a careful guy will come off a rock or back into one just right, now and again.

The thing that sucks about my suggestion is while some rock crawling will not care if you run that expensive shock or the cheapo one, when the other parts of the trail call for some speed, you will lose.

Maybe my suggestion sucks! lol
 

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Yeah man... completely agree with that thinking.

A few trips back I ripped out a bar pin and rolled my axle forward.... got lucky and caught it right before it was going to be a BIG problem. Limit straps would prevent that... so on top of saving your shocks, it will give you another benefit that if ever needed, will save your wallet big time. Cheap insurance!

The rears are at a big disadvantage sitting where they do... I have seen guys run through very expensive shocks, just as I go through the cheap ones. Now my brute force style may not help the situation, but even a careful guy will come off a rock or back into one just right, now and again.

The thing that sucks about my suggestion is while some rock crawling will not care if you run that expensive shock or the cheapo one, when the other parts of the trail call for some speed, you will lose.

Maybe my suggestion sucks! lol
Suggestion doesnt suck. Its a compromise one way or another. I did add a nice "ding" to one of the shocks in addtional to over extending so I did come down on a rock with one.
 

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Suggestion doesnt suck. Its a compromise one way or another. I did add a nice "ding" to one of the shocks in addtional to over extending so I did come down on a rock with one.
You could also do other things.... evo system will clean that up or even going through the tub with different mounting. But your Jeep is beautiful, why screw it up with a saw?
 

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You could also do other things.... evo system will clean that up or even going through the tub with different mounting. But your Jeep is beautiful, why screw it up with a saw?
Not a fan of Evo do be honest. Ideally I would want to outboard the shocks but I am not in a financial position to do everything involved in achieving that correctly and yeah my Jeep is too purdy to do what you are doing.
 

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Your Jeep loks great man, mine... never again... lol. I would never suggest to anyone to do anything near what I am doing to mine.... at least not for some time. And yeah, money is the biggest concern. I lost a lot of weight over the last year or two saving for my mod instead of eating. :)

That mounting position sucks... you get hung up and bust shocks, yet the JK with that limitation still smokes everything else out there . :)
 

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Great pictures and great timing on a report. I am planning on running Carnage Canyon in the first week of July.
Any words of advice?

My set up is 4.5" lift JKU fully locked on 37's.
I have the same shocks as you do. Bilstein 7100.
Mine are the correct length for my set up.
 

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Great pictures and great timing on a report. I am planning on running Carnage Canyon in the first week of July.
Any words of advice?

My set up is 4.5" lift JKU fully locked on 37's.
I have the same shocks as you do. Bilstein 7100.
Mine are the correct length for my set up.
I have 5160s but close enough.

Advice:
Bring a trailer if you can. You never know who wont make it.
Make sure your winch is in good working order.
Have basic tools.
Prepare for a long day - lots of water.
Small group will make it easier as the day will be long enough as is.
Make sure bump stops and limit straps are in place. That trail will flex you out.
Have FUN!!!
 

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I have 5160s but close enough.

Advice:
Bring a trailer if you can. You never know who wont make it.
Make sure your winch is in good working order.
Have basic tools.
Prepare for a long day - lots of water.
Small group will make it easier as the day will be long enough as is.
Make sure bump stops and limit straps are in place. That trail will flex you out.
Have FUN!!!
All good advice! Every time we have been there, jeeps have carnage. Most frequently, axles, shocks, mounts, wheels and tires, body damage.

Bring some ratchet straps. They can be useful for holding an axle on (if a mount cracks) or for holding an axle housing to the frame to make the jeep easier to jack up should you have to pull an axle.
 

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I have 5160s but close enough.

Advice:
Bring a trailer if you can. You never know who wont make it.
Make sure your winch is in good working order.
Have basic tools.
Prepare for a long day - lots of water.
Small group will make it easier as the day will be long enough as is.
Make sure bump stops and limit straps are in place. That trail will flex you out.
Have FUN!!!
I will have all that with me. And always trailer my Jeep, just never know when you need it to get your shit home. I'll be a 1000 miles away from home.

All good advice! Every time we have been there, jeeps have carnage. Most frequently, axles, shocks, mounts, wheels and tires, body damage.

Bring some ratchet straps. They can be useful for holding an axle on (if a mount cracks) or for holding an axle housing to the frame to make the jeep easier to jack up should you have to pull an axle.
Good idea on the ratchet straps, I need to buy some thinner ones though. I have the think ones for towing and stuff. Last time we had to get someone of a trail with a rear broken axle shaft and the the thin ratchet straps came in handy strapping down the hi lift jack thingy...

Will always have tools spare axle parts, u-joints and plenty of liquid with me....

Thanks for the heads up.
Left Hand Rubi, how would you rate this trail compared to Die Trying? I walked Die Trying and was impressed with the technical difficulty. We'd have ran it, it it wasn't already 1PM in the afternoon and the last day in Colorado for us.
Die Trying is still on my bucket list.:gluging:
 
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