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As you may be aware, Automotive News is reporting that the 2016 Wrangler will undergo a major diet to reduce fuel consumption. The Wrangler's rugged solid axles may be swapped for an independent suspension and steel body panels may be replaced with aluminum or SMC (sheet molded compound). I understand Wranglers are similar to GM's full size pickups for Chrysler (high profit margins), so the Wrangler is a critical model in the portfolio and not going away. The good news is that JK resale values should continue to be amazing for us. Here are 2 Wrangler concept pics, the top one being the most recent.


 

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The factory body panels are pathetically tho in. I think composite panels would be great. That bottom concept vehicle, KILL IT WITH FIRE! Seriously, it looks like a mutant PT cruiser. Top one has potential. IFS I am leery of.
 

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they have also been saying that a Jeep truck is going to be released with actual dates for the past ten years....

I just want them to come out with a new model so aftermarket parts can drop in price :)
 

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they have also been saying that a Jeep truck is going to be released with actual dates for the past ten years....

I just want them to come out with a new model so aftermarket parts can drop in price :)
I would have a purchased a JK-8 factory pickup over my 4-door in a heartbeat if the price was reasonable. Since Chrysler also owns Ram, I doubt if we will ever see a factory Wrangler pickup.

The current JK-8 Mopar kit is way too expensive and labor intensive for me to even consider...



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This new kit takes cues from the popular Jeep Scrambler CJ-8 from the 1980’s. Major components include a spacious 44-inch by 50-inch steel bed, inner and outer bedsides constructed from stamped sheet metal, Freedom Panel assemblies, a removable fiberglass hardtop with a sliding rear window, two fixed side windows, a fiberglass bulkhead, and JK-8 badging. The Hardtop and Freedom Panels are smooth, ready to accept your choice of color. Kit is built to order, please allow 6 to 8 months from order date.
 

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You know what will happen if they do go IFS. Real Jeepers will yank out all the IFS crap and put in live axles. That's just how it's done. In my opinion, if you want IFS, get a car. Live axles are a staple in Jeeps. If it isn't broke don't fix it......unless you're building more badass. Then fix the shit out of it.
 

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IFS has it's advantages and disadvantages. The argument I hear a lot is "REAL" Jeeps have solid axles and 4WD. Same theory everyone had when the 4 door and 2WD came out. The market will tell. 4 door survived, 2WD not so much. Ultra 4 cars (King of the Hammers) have proved that IFS is just as capable as solid axle in the rocks, mud and sand. It all comes down to what the soccer Moms want. There are more Mall Crawlers out there than hardcore offroaders. So it is good news for the aftermarket crowd as hardcore Jeepers will be modding the shit out of the new Jeep anyway!
 

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I think after this article was posted, another was released saying the JK's replacement was pushed back to 2018... Whatever they're doing, I think it has been delayed.

If they can get the V6 Diesel in the current JK before they destroy it, I'll be happy. :beer:
 

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Independent suspension on the next generation Wrangler is almost a given to save weight. Not a bad thing in my book with many handling/ride benefits, but hard core Jeepers will protest. The only solid axle vehicles left in North America are the Wrangler, Ford Super Duty, and the Ram 2500/3500. Here are my predictions on the next generation Wrangler:

-MPG ratings of 25 city, 31 highway
-Higher crash test ratings
-Body on frame layout will continue
-6 airbags will be standard
-Independent suspension front/rear
-Four banger DI base engine. Current 3.6 v-6 will be an option
-9 speed auto tranny
-Aluminum tub
-Clean sheet of paper high strength frame
-Fold down windshield design will be history
-Theft proof hood tie-down hood
-Off road prowess will still be excellent

 

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someone will make a solid axle swap kit and make a ton of cash
 

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someone will make a solid axle swap kit and make a ton of cash
Sure, but the vast majority that can't afford it will be stuck with IFS. IFS -can- be awesome if you look at tube chassis KOH or Ultra 4 racers. However, on factory platforms, they are severely limiting. Also solid axle swaps don't necessarily just rewind everything back to the way it was with a solid axle. Usually pretty substantial frame differences come along with IFS vehicles, that aren't necessarily "fixable" with a kit.

Look at the FJ Cruiser, 4x4 1/2 tons, and anyone else IFS for that matter...they hit the "limit" for lift in a hurry and with significant side effects. SAS'ing is cool, big money and not necessarily all that it once was when it came factory.
 

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I would have a purchased a JK-8 factory pickup over my 4-door in a heartbeat if the price was reasonable. If they don't offer this option on the 2016 Wrangler they are making a huge marketing blunder in my book.

The current JK-8 Mopar kit is way too expensive and labor intensive for me to even consider...



$5889.99
This item has an additional $469.99 shipping surcharge.


This new kit takes cues from the popular Jeep Scrambler CJ-8 from the 1980’s. Major components include a spacious 44-inch by 50-inch steel bed, inner and outer bedsides constructed from stamped sheet metal, Freedom Panel assemblies, a removable fiberglass hardtop with a sliding rear window, two fixed side windows, a fiberglass bulkhead, and JK-8 badging. The Hardtop and Freedom Panels are smooth, ready to accept your choice of color. Kit is built to order, please allow 6 to 8 months from order date.
Jeep won't be allowed to build a truck, it would compete with dodge.
 

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"Jeep won't be allowed to build a truck, it would compete with dodge"

I hear you on that, a Wrangler pickup would cannibalize Ram truck sales.
 

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All these articles came out after allpar.com discovered through suppliers the new jeep was delayed until MY2018. I think fiat is fishing to see what people are saying. Unfortunately the masses don't really care. Seven years ago this would have been totally different. From my sources nothing has yet been decided yet.

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IFS rumors are the biggest reason I'm looking at a JK now.
My luck trying to get a Wrangler has been poorly timed. I'm gonna have to make it happen.

I bought a WJ in Nov '01. (rolled the XJ)
Later rumors of the Rubicon got me all flustered, then it happened.

I got in a position to secure another vehicle but it ended up being a truck.
Got in a position for another vehicle and it ended up being a 'Vette.

The whole time, I'm looking at Wranglers.
The whole time, the Wranglers kept changing...body, engines, etc.
The whole time, I'm thinkin', when is it gonna be too late?

I will not be denied! :bawling:

If I am, anyone wanna help me figure out makin' a rally car with the 'Vette? :D
 

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-MPG ratings of 25 city, 31 highway
-Four banger DI base engine. Current 3.6 v-6 will be an option
Current JK is rated at 16-17mpg city... An 8mpg jump is not going to happen.

3.6L Pentastar will get direct injection. Same with the 3.2L. No 4 banger.
 

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Would love to see the 3.0 Fiat 174 hp inline 4-cylinder EcoDiesel engine that generates 295 lb-ft of torque dropped into the next generation Wrangler. It's currently an option on the brand new Ram ProMaster van.


 

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Would love to see the 3.0 Fiat 174 hp inline 4-cylinder EcoDiesel engine that generates 295 lb-ft of torque dropped into the next generation Wrangler. It's currently an option on the brand new Ram ProMaster van.
Why the four banger instead of the 6 cylinder? Dodge really dropped the ball when they chose to not use the Cummins V8...
 
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