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So, I'm not a republican and I'm not a democrat, I'm an American. I grew up with a German immigrant mother and a hardscrabble depression era dad. The lessons I learned growing up where shaped by stories of hardship,poverty, and the American dream.
Politics suck...the party isn't important, the climate is elitist. National level players are identified and groomed by the king makers in their respective camps. These aren't real people, they're royals.
As much as I didn't care for Romney, I've seen what Osama(not a typo) has done to my country over the last four years. I've talked to acquaintances who have been on unemployment for 3 years straight, and listened to the sense of entitlement.
I'm truly baffled by all the support that exists for a socialist state model. Gone are the days when the average American understood the contract that existed between the citizens and the government. Gone is the commonly held belief that a good idea and hard work can propel you to millionaire status. Asians and Indians own our convenience stores, illegal Mexicans handle our agriculture, our customer service is done in another country. All of this while the average citizen sits at home and demands NOT to take care of themselves.
As depressing as our current climate is, the golden BB found me yesterday when I reviewed my electricity bill....notice to all pse customers: winter rate changes are increasing .08 cents per kilowatt hour to support low income families heating initiative.
Though I have no wish for little Johnny to freeze to death this winter, it's clear to me that our climate continues to deteriorate in its support for the unmotivated and the under employed. While those owning homes and working for a living continue to pay the price.
I am sad for what has, and what is continuing to happen to the country that once held Audie Murphy and John Wayne as our heroes. Good bless America ...we need it.
 

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Are you saying it went up an additional .08 per kwh or up too .08 kwh? Off peak in my area is .29 per kwh and peak is .51 per kwh. My electric bill can be $500+ in the summer and I am considered below average.
 

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Sadly, it's an additional .08 ...:suicide:
 

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Make the motherfuckers get out and chop a damm tree down and use that for heat.

I am so glad that I do not live in that state anymore. I will be visiting though. I just love all the taxes on rental cars in Seattle.:flipoff:
 

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Make the motherfuckers get out and chop a damm tree down and use that for heat.

I am so glad that I do not live in that state anymore. I will be visiting though. I just love all the taxes on rental cars in Seattle.:flipoff:
I work for a painting company. We bid a job to paint all these houses that were gov't housing for low income families (not section 8, something different, i can't remember what they called it).

anyway, window AC unit would be going full blast (late summer/early fall) but when we went to paint the gas lines and meters we couldn't... because they were sweating... because they were ALSO running the heat!

when you don't pay for it you don't care.
 

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I'm on vacation in pagosa springs Colorado and a high number of the locals that we have delt with don't have electricity they are running small solar panels and batteries, maybe a few hundred bucks into it but the biggest deal is heat, they all have wood burning stove and for ten bucks you can get a permit to go into the San Juan forest to chop down 1 cord of wood, enough to full a pick up truck to the brim, they say it takes 4-6 cords to heat a regular house for the entire winter, in other words 60 bucks for heating for the entire winter and all you really need to do is get off your ass and do it.

I'm tired of footing the bill for lazy fuckers.
 

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I put solar on my house 3 yrs ago and locked in approx $0.03/kwh for 20 years. I don't mind my power bills at all! :thefinger:
 

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I'm on vacation in pagosa springs Colorado and a high number of the locals that we have delt with don't have electricity they are running small solar panels and batteries, maybe a few hundred bucks into it but the biggest deal is heat, they all have wood burning stove and for ten bucks you can get a permit to go into the San Juan forest to chop down 1 cord of wood, enough to full a pick up truck to the brim, they say it takes 4-6 cords to heat a regular house for the entire winter, in other words 60 bucks for heating for the entire winter and all you really need to do is get off your ass and do it.

I'm tired of footing the bill for lazy fuckers.
If only it cost $60 to heat for the winter. I can cut 10 cords of dead or down a year for free. I burn 3-5 a winter. Its the $3000 for a good stove and stainless flue plus buying a decent saw that costs the money up front. Having a truck to haul it and that streak of ambition also comes in handy.
 

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I'm on vacation in pagosa springs Colorado and a high number of the locals that we have delt with don't have electricity they are running small solar panels and batteries, maybe a few hundred bucks into it

I'm tired of footing the bill for lazy fuckers.
Maybe Clam can chime in but adding solar to a home is not just a few hundred bucks.

I'm not against solar, but it's a commitment to get it started.
 

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Maybe Clam can chime in but adding solar to a home is not just a few hundred bucks.

I'm not against solar, but it's a commitment to get it started.
Not at all, it's essentially buying future power in a large down payment. However, There are many ways to do it now, simply buying your own system is the way of the past. Check out solarcity.com, I did a full buyout of the 'lease' option which for me had a full return on investment in 4yrs. I'm not full 'off the grid' system with no batteries, so when the grid goes down I do too.

Not only are my power bills $7 in the summer (their transmission fee), but I've hedged against the inflation of power generation.

Check it out, see if you house is a candidate, and do the math to see if it works for you!
 

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Well said Nwapache.
 

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