[itsthelaw]

Also need to consider how long it will take you to make the mods you want. If you are going to drop big cash in a short period of time to build the beast, go with the 2011. If it will be modified over time, I would get the newer engine. I went with a 2013 and have been making mods over the past few months. Really happy, but everyone's goals are different. Enjoy the trip!

 

[itsthelaw]

I have a 2013 auto and love it. I have wheeled it mildly, but in various terrain. I drive it daily and have spent plenty of time on the highway with it. We live in western NC, so there are plenty of changes in elevation...even in town. Mine has 3" lift with 35" Nitto Grapplers and 4.88 gearing. Shift pints seem very good to me. I have had 3 Audis in the past, and they have their own issues. Loved them thought! The choice between manual and auto gave me a lot of indigestion, but I have am VERY glad I have the auto. There is also mention of venting for the clutch in mud and water, but I can only say to look at forum for that one.

 

[itsthelaw]

I certainly understand the angle of saving cash up front, since you want to build the best that YOU want to build. With the new engine, Jeep improved the overall experience. It is still not a quick vehicle. Going from 10+ seconds in 0-60 to 8.5 is simply an improvement. The new engine doesn't lack anything compared to the older engines, so IMHO it is a great improvement for the Wrangler. Find someone in the Jeep community who will let you drive theirs. I found several people who were gracious enough to help. I drove 98, 05, 07, 08 and new with various gearing in 2dr and 4dr. For me, the new engine was well worth the money as a starting point.