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Tire install (Non-Beadlock)

I've said I was going to do this for a while so here it is:

Cooper STT 37x12.5R17 on MRW 17x9.5 rim

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1 Tire Spoon (I use Euro style because it has a little hook on the end and it slides better.)




Use soapy water to lubricate the tire. It makes it easier to slide on the steel.




To install make sure inner tire bead is under the outer lip on the wheel.




You can use your foot to keep the inner part of the tire from poping up when you start to run the tire bead.



Work the bead in 2" lengths alternating sides. Take it slow---it doesn't pay to try and take big steps because you can damage the tire.







As you reach the end, you may not be able to get the tool between the tire and wheel. You can lift up a little to assist but usually if you have 6" or less a good kick it with your heel and it will set it.

Here is a picture of the inner tire wall on the rim. My inspector is looking for debris that may have fallen in.



Now for the fun part. (YES, that IS sarcasm.)

Place the outer tire bead under the outer wheel lip. It won't want to stay there in the beginning. Some tires like BFG have very plyable sidewalls and you can work them on the ground.




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Other tires (stiff side walls) you will need to raise the wheel off the ground a few inches to let the tire weight sag and allow you to set the bead under the rim. I used 2 small ammo cans but some blocks of wood can work also.






Again use your foot or knee to help hold the tire in place.





Work the bead side to side the same way you worked the inner bead. 2" at a time.




Once the bead stays under the lip on its own you can return to the floor for better leverage.




When you reach the last bit, hit it with you heel again to pop the tire on completely.





Make sure you inspector likes what he/she sees =).




Then air up the tire.




If you have a really plyable tire you may have to set the wheel back up on the blocks. You will have to push on the tire to get the inner bead to set as well as it can. With air applied lift up lightly on the outer edges of the tire and try and close the gap between the outer bead and the outer rim. You can also try a ratchet strap around the outside of the tire and try and squeeze the bead out. I've never had much of an issue but I haven't done many tires over 12.5 " wide. Wide rim and tire combo's will have their own personal needs.

End note: Use as much soapy water as needed and apply any time. It will dry up.

For those the are worried about the rim they do sell cheap plastic rim protectors to keep the tool from gouging the rim.


I just wanted to put in a thank-you to my Wife (photographer) and Son (Inspector) for their help.

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Awesome write up

where you get teh tire spoon?


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Thx,

You can pick up a cheap spoon on E-bay, or spend a bit more at a Tool store, usually by the Big F-n pry-bars; I think even Northern Tool has them. Ken-Tool seems to have the market.

You'll need two if your going to remove the tire, which is a Big PITA. I've done it on the trail swapping tires from a different rim. I hung out with alot of Toyota guys and always had the odd-ball rim 5x5.5. We would exchange tires all the time to keep the trip going. Tires are no fun if it wont hold air.

I'll do a write-up on dis-mount first time I cut one. I'm hoping it will be a while.

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I used to know an old guy that changed tires by hand regularly. He used a regular old pry bar and a rubber mallet.

Me, I like the mechanical advantage... Call me lazy.

Nice write up, Im guessing your inspector approved your work!


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Nice write up.... This was my favorite part.. haha

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When you reach the last bit, hit it with you heel again to pop the tire on completely.




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I mounted 35" BFG KM2s on Rugged Ridge wheels with Staun internal beadlocks and will post a write up someday. It was difficult getting the stiff new tires on - definitely no fun.

I have tire irons from Harbor Freight but aluminum wheels scratch/dent real easy. Rugged Ridge ships the rims with a plastic edge protector - but it required too much force with the irons and it would slip off. I also had the potential problem of the internal beadlock tubes getting holes from the tire irons.

Frustrated, I came up with this idea - works great - a ten foot 2X4 as a lever placed on a short 4X4 (with a couple short 2X4 side pieces to keep it centered). I put the end of the 2X4 under my heavy bolted down workbench (otherwise would lift up)- also tried it under the Jeep.


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Frustrated, I came up with this idea - works great - a ten foot 2X4 as a lever placed on a short 4X4 (with a couple short 2X4 side pieces to keep it centered). I put the end of the 2X4 under my heavy bolted down workbench (otherwise would lift up)- also tried it under the Jeep.

Nice Trick, it will make a great bead breaker too.

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Yeah.. Norhern Tools has the spoons.. $7.99 for a 30in model..

http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...1774_200331774


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Do y'all balance your own then as well? Or are these trail only tires where being balanced doesn't matter?

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Do y'all balance your own then as well? Or are these trail only tires where being balanced doesn't matter?
If I feel the need to balance I cut the coupon out of the back of the phone book for a cheap Balance and rotation. It's usually 1/3 of the price they would charge to mount and balance when you buy.

For this set I'm going to have the tires trued (shaved to make them round) and then see if they need balanced.

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I mounted my MT/R Kevlar 35x12.5-17's myself and never had them balanced. I'm not sure it's that big of a deal after driving 1,000+ miles this past week at average speeds of 65-70 and topping out at 83.7 at some point (not sure where, but the GPS said I did it).


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If I feel the need to balance I cut the coupon out of the back of the phone book for a cheap Balance and rotation. It's usually 1/3 of the price they would charge to mount and balance when you buy.

For this set I'm going to have the tires trued (shaved to make them round) and then see if they need balanced.
Yep.. And if you catch the right special, you can get free balance and rotation when you get an oil change..

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Great write up! I have used Wal-mart for years on my old Jeep (35 x 12.5). they have always just charged me $7 for removal, mount and balance of each tire. Oh I had to pay extra if I needed stems.

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