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5 Tire Rotation. Good or Not????

I have about 2,000 miles on my Trail Grapplers an I was wanting to do a 5 tire rotation about every 4,000. That was until my dealer told me that was a bad idea and that if you leave a already used tire on the carrier not being used, it will dry rot and go bad. I really don't know what to do now. Should I just stick to a 4 tire rotation and keep the spare for a few sets?

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There are a lot of folks that do the 5 tire rotation. Dealers aren't known to be the sharpest tool.

With how frequently you are rotating, 4k, you will be fine.

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There are a lot of folks that do the 5 tire rotation. Dealers aren't known to be the sharpest tool.

With how frequently you are rotating, 4k, you will be fine.
Thanks! This is my first Jeep and set of M/T tires, I just don't want to throw $300 out the window

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Dealers. Pffft. Do the 5 tire rotation at every 4000. If you're worried about UV damage, etc. buy a wheel cover. You'd be surprised at the choices available.

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By rotating your spare into the mix you'll gain 20% more tread life into your tires over letting it dangle off the back of your gate.

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I think I'm going to go with a 5 tire rotation but I'm still a little concerned

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I do a "Reverse Cross" tire rotation when I change the oil at 5K miles. In my opinion, if you don't put your spare into the rotation, assuming it is the exact same as your other tires, then you are leaving money on the table. As noted, you'll get 20% more life out of your tires by doing this. Also saving that spare so you only need to buy four tires later doesn't really work out unless you completely resist the change or upgrade fever that comes with a Jeep

Why would a used tire dry rot faster than an unused one that just sat on the back assuming they were all purchased at the same time?

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I do a "Reverse Cross" tire rotation when I change the oil at 5K miles. In my opinion, if you don't put your spare into the rotation, assuming it is the exact same as your other tires, then you are leaving money on the table. As noted, you'll get 20% more life out of your tires by doing this. Also saving that spare so you only need to buy four tires later doesn't really work out unless you completely resist the change or upgrade fever that comes with a Jeep

Why would a used tire dry rot faster than an unused one that just sat on the back assuming they were all purchased at the same time?
That makes me feel much more confident. I just looked up the reverse cross and that seems to be what most people are using. Thanks

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I was doing the 5 tire rotation. When I had the nittos put on, the tire techs said not to do a 5 wheel rotation because it will cause a pull when the newer tire is moved to the front.

Our jeep homies a little to the north of you were advocating a 4 tire rotation as well. I think the idea here is that the spare could be kept through a set or two of main tires. That or sold. Used big tires do seem to have decent resale on Craig's list.
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I have about 2,000 miles on my Trail Grapplers an I was wanting to do a 5 tire rotation about every 4,000. That was until my dealer told me that was a bad idea and that if you leave a already used tire on the carrier not being used, it will dry rot and go bad. I really don't know what to do now. Should I just stick to a 4 tire rotation and keep the spare for a few sets?
If you're rotating every 4k miles, the spare won't have time to dry rot. Do the 5 tire rotation. If you're miles are majority on paved roads, nothing wrong with bumping the rotation up to 3k miles.
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I was doing the 5 tire rotation. When I had the nittos put on, the tire techs said not to do a 5 wheel rotation because it will cause a pull when the newer tire is moved to the front.

Our jeep homies a little to the north of you were advocating a 4 tire rotation as well. I think the idea here is that the spare could be kept through a set or two of main tires. That or sold. Used big tires do seem to have decent resale on Craig's list.
I have never had an issue with pulling. My spare always goes to right rear never to the front
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5 tire rotation here every 4-5k miles. 35x12.50x17 cooper stt' s and I'm at 25k on this set and probably another 10k left in em.
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I generally like to avoid controversy , but if you have 5 identical rims and tires, anyone saying not to do a 5-tire rotation is full of shit.

I do a 5-tire rotation every ~3000 miles, and reap all the benefits everyone has mentioned (plus a few):
  • 20% longer tire life for the set
  • Evens out tread wear on all 5 tires (including the active 4)
  • Rotating the spare in keeps it from dry rotting
  • Spare will always be approximately the same size as the other 4
  • If you have lockers or wheel speed sensors, that last bullet point is important
An uncovered spare that hangs on the back for a few years without moving will be weathered on the top half due to UV exposure - garbage!
Rotating that spare in every 3-5k miles will redistribute the plasticizers and get it the hell out of single-position sun exposure - perfectly good tire!

My tires always end up in 1 clocking position on the spare carrier because my 3rd brake light shoots through a hole in the rim.
I worried about my tires always being in 1 position on the spare carrier, so I took tread depth measurements and kept track.
My MTR/Ks had ~identical tread depths all the way around each tire when I switched to Nittos after ~30k miles.
So . . . in my experience, with reasonable 5-tire rotation intervals, you needn't worry about sun damage to your spare.

As long as you're moving the rear tires forward (like diagram below), there will be no pull to the side.
I can't remember if this is a "forward cross", "rearward cross", "Dirty Sanchez", or whatever, but that's what I do.

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I have about 2,000 miles on my Trail Grapplers an I was wanting to do a 5 tire rotation about every 4,000. That was until my dealer told me that was a bad idea and that if you leave a already used tire on the carrier not being used, it will dry rot and go bad. I really don't know what to do now. Should I just stick to a 4 tire rotation and keep the spare for a few sets?
One last piece of advice if you will. Find a new dealer. The on you have is cranking out BS. Here's my tire cover.
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I generally like to avoid controversy , but if you have 5 identical rims and tires, anyone saying not to do a 5-tire rotation is full of shit.

I do a 5-tire rotation every ~3000 miles, and reap all the benefits everyone has mentioned (plus a few):
  • 20% longer tire life for the set
  • Evens out tread wear on all 5 tires (including the active 4)
  • Rotating the spare in keeps it from dry rotting
  • Spare will always be approximately the same size as the other 4
  • If you have lockers or wheel speed sensors, that last bullet point is important
An uncovered spare that hangs on the back for a few years without moving will be weathered on the top half due to UV exposure - garbage!
Rotating that spare in every 3-5k miles will redistribute the plasticizers and get it the hell out of single-position sun exposure - perfectly good tire!

My tires always end up in 1 clocking position on the spare carrier because my 3rd brake light shoots through a hole in the rim.
I worried about my tires always being in 1 position on the spare carrier, so I took tread depth measurements and kept track.
My MTR/Ks had ~identical tread depths all the way around each tire when I switched to Nittos after ~30k miles.
So . . . in my experience, with reasonable 5-tire rotation intervals, you needn't worry about sun damage to your spare.

As long as you're moving the rear tires forward (like diagram below), there will be no pull to the side.
I can't remember if this is a "forward cross", "rearward cross", "Dirty Sanchez", or whatever, but that's what I do.

OK, enough of my bullshit. Take it or leave it. Good night!
Thank you so much. I'm starting to think my dealer is not as smart as he thinks he is. All your talk of the redistributing plasticizers makes sense
And I'm pretty sure it's a reverse cross

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One last piece of advice if you will. Find a new dealer. The on you have is cranking out BS. Here's my tire cover.
Nice tire cover! Where did ya get that

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5 tire rotation is DIY-friendly too! you only have one tire off the ground at a time.

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I've been running 35s for years and have rotated all five since purchase with no problems. Take most dealers' words with a grain of salt.

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5 tire rotation is DIY-friendly too! you only have one tire off the ground at a time.
That takes too long - I have both a pneumatic impact wrench (compressor in the garage) and a Milwaukee M18 battery powered impact wrench. I's suggest one or the other to make life much easier.

I also put the front and rear up on jackstands to do it all at the same time. None of this up and down business. In a perfect world, I'd have a garage tall enough for a shop lift.

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I've been doing the 5 tire rotation, here's my cover.



I have a question though for the tire guru's, a little while after my last rotation I picked up a nail, now that tire has a plug and is once again my spare. Would you run a plugged tire on the front? I'm running Goodyear Silent Armour tires not the OEM tires, if it matters.




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I have a question though for the tire guru's, a little while after my last rotation I picked up a nail, now that tire has a plug and is once again my spare. Would you run a plugged tire on the front? I'm running Goodyear Silent Armour tires not the OEM tires, if it matters.


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Depends.

A small hole, properly plugged with a quality plug and rubber cement, I've driven many thousands of miles (tire front or rear) with plugged tires.

If it was a large hole that the plug was a bit too loose in, or that required two plugs or more to get you home, or was in the sidewall (where the tire is much thinner) I may not trust the tire for daily driving, front or rear. Just my opinion.
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I've been doing the 5 tire rotation, here's my cover.

I have a question though for the tire guru's, a little while after my last rotation I picked up a nail, now that tire has a plug and is once again my spare. Would you run a plugged tire on the front? I'm running Goodyear Silent Armour tires not the OEM tires, if it matters.
First of all I'm no tire guru but to me I would have had the tire rebalanced asap to ensure that any imbalance that may be caused by the plug would be removed and then I'd mount it where it came off.

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Depends.

A small hole, properly plugged with a quality plug and rubber cement, I've driven many thousands of miles (tire front or rear) with plugged tires.

If it was a large hole that the plug was a bit too loose in, or that required two plugs or more to get you home, or was in the sidewall (where the tire is much thinner) I may not trust the tire for daily driving, front or rear. Just my opinion.
It was a small nail buried directly in a tread lug. it was a very slow leak, I was putting a pound or two of air in every other week or so. I found the leak one day because it was raining and happened to park with the hole on top and saw tiny bubbles. The repair was with a good plug, hole had to be reamed to fit, and cement.

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First of all I'm no tire guru but to me I would have had the tire rebalanced asap to ensure that any imbalance that may be caused by the plug would be removed and then I'd mount it where it came off.

Oh yeah and here's where I got my tire cover: http://www.tirecovercentral.com/page1x.htm
Thanks, I didn't think of the re-balancing.

I have faith in the plugs, I used one in a rear motorcycle tire that just started to leak again after a couple years of use. Used them on other vehicles too.

The Jeep is the first vehicle I started doing the 5 tire rotation on and was wondering about a plug on a tire that isn't being used for a while, while in a 5 tire rotation.

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. . . was wondering about a plug on a tire that isn't being used for a while, while in a 5 tire rotation.
As long as your prep/install was good:

Once it's been on the road, gotten up to temperature, and cured the adhesive around the plug, it won't change.

If you plug your spare and it waits quite a while before it hits the road, there should still be no problems.

Suggest putting it right back into it's pre-puncture location after the repair (or during, if you like a challenge ).

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I would be comfortable with a patched tire on a vehicle with 4 wheels. However, Sober', I've got to say that it takes some nerves of steel to ride a motorcycle with a patched tire.

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