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post #1 of 47 Old 10-16-2011, 08:27 PM Thread Starter
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Rubicon T Case Exploded on the 202 Pics

So I put a post in the BS thread but I wanted to post some pics and see if anyone else has this issue. I talked to Joe Darro and he said he has seen 6 others.
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Somewhere on this forum I saw a thread where someone had that happen. Any idea what caused it? That's outrageous. By the way, the pictures are HUGE! So it's hard to make out the carnage.

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Joe is thinking that the pump broke off and was just spinning on the shaft. Sorry about the sizeof the pics i am not that good with this computer stuff.
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Lift? Tires? Regeared? Speed?


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Are you still under warranty or is this going to be out of pocket?

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Can't tell from the pics; is it the front or the rear of the t-case?
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Thought so.

How much of the following is true?

Lifted
Regeared
Double cardin aftermarket front drive shaft
Front driveshaft/pinion angle greater than a few degrees
Highway speed
Some vibration most of the time, then a lot just before failure
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Thought so.

How much of the following is true?

Lifted
Regeared
Double cardin aftermarket front drive shaft
Front driveshaft/pinion angle greater than a few degrees
Highway speed
Some vibration most of the time, then a lot just before failure
Seems to be the typical recipe for this.

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Seems to be the typical recipe for this.
I forgot one item.
The distance the double cardan is from the t-case.
There are two methods that I know of. One is shorter than the other.
I'm not sure of the names of them, though. Can you help me out?
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Double cardan, reel drive shaft, 513 gears, little vibration, then ticking at 75 and boom, oh yeah 2dr 4 inch lift
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Double cardan, reel drive shaft, 513 gears, little vibration, then ticking at 75 and boom, oh yeah 2dr 4 inch lift
No control arms? What was the pinion angle/caster?


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rockinrubi on here had the same thing happen to his.

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Double cardan, reel drive shaft, 513 gears, little vibration, then ticking at 75 and boom, oh yeah 2dr 4 inch lift
Sounds like the normal recipe for disaster. Especially if the angle of the front driveshaft to the pinion was more than a very few degrees.

The double cardan depends on a near zero angle on the front u-joint. Otherwise, the double cardan will vibrate more than the t-case casting can take.

Was your double cardan close to the t-case, or was it the longer distance of the two options? The longer distance will make the problem even worse.
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I wonder if this is happening on just on the Rubicons? Because the few I have heard of were all Rubi cases.

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I resized the pics for you.

As mention this is a fairly common problem and comes from quality of driveshaft and DS angle (lift height and pinion angle). The newer lighter aluminum case cannot stand up to vibration. The fix is to have a balanced shaft and adjusted pinion angle to reduce vibrations. If you can feel vibrations you better act quick becuase the light weight case will break apart.

To answer axsys this problem is not limited to the rubi's.

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Sorry to hear this and it scares the heck out of me, I need a new ds but can't decide on which one and what options to get. Right now I have the stock shaft pulled. I have the money but I have been scared to death of this happening to me so I haven't ordered one.

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Installed a new front driveshaft (Tatton 1310) a couple of weeks ago and noticed a driveline vibration instantly. Vibration got progressively worse and I noticed I could move the driveshaft up and down and the movement was in the double cardan joint. I'm replacing the joint today and re-installing the driveshaft tonight. Will double check my pinion/driveshaft angle also, but I'm pretty sure I had it under 5 degrees. 3.5" lift and 4.88's on my rig BTW.

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Installed a new front driveshaft (Tatton 1310) a couple of weeks ago and noticed a driveline vibration instantly. Vibration got progressively worse and I noticed I could move the driveshaft up and down and the movement was in the double cardan joint. I'm replacing the joint today and re-installing the driveshaft tonight. Will double check my pinion/driveshaft angle also, but I'm pretty sure I had it under 5 degrees. 3.5" lift and 4.88's on my rig BTW.
Your caster or Pinion angle?


How much caster/pinion angle should there be for a 3 inch lift? Mine is 5 right now (caster) and drives fine. I know less caster = better pinion angle.


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Those crappy DS adapters dont help either....

You need to dial you front end in to prevent this and get some shafts that have full replacement yokes... Most of these that have done this were running Reel DS with those shitty adapters
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Your caster or Pinion angle?


How much caster/pinion angle should there be for a 3 inch lift? Mine is 5 right now (caster) and drives fine. I know less caster = better pinion angle.
Pinion. Not sure on caster right now...but it drives ok.

I think mine is the joint itself. I wish I took a vid of it, but there was a lot of movement in that joint...maybe just a bad joint from the beginning. There was easily 1/8th inch of up and down play on the driveshaft at the joint.

Also, mine has replacement yolks.

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Pinion. Not sure on caster right now...but it drives ok.

I think mine is the joint itself. I wish I took a vid of it, but there was a lot of movement in that joint...maybe just a bad joint from the beginning. There was easily 1/8th inch of up and down play on the driveshaft at the joint.

Also, mine has replacement yolks.
bad angles will kill a cardon joint quick...... they need to be maintained frequently
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bad angles will kill a cardon joint quick...... they need to be maintained frequently
Learning quickly! Luckily, not the hard way. I'll recheck those angles once I put it back on.

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I've read that teraflex for the 3 inch kit said having 6-8 degrees were ok (caster) so I simply put mine at 5 (caster) (to give better angle for the P/A)

I have the stock drive shaft though. I'm nervous about going with a double jardon as I don't have no vibrations right now.


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