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Headlight Shootout!

Headlight Shootout! Story and photos by Gil "usmcdoc" Fortin


We spend so much time and effort in improving our vehicles, everything from suspension and tires to full out drive train swaps, all the while ignoring the easy bolt on “high performance“ modifications that truly count. We will go and put bigger brakes and roll cage while being blissfully ignorant of true safety modifications. I will just cut through the fluff, we forget about our headlights. Come awn, headlights? Ya, headlights, you know those lights that you are required to have, the ones that get you to work every day, the ones that you forget about until one burns out and then you spend a half hour looking at the bulbs in the part store trying to justify if those $10 more a set are worth it.

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holy shit!! It's aliveeee!

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Great job Doc! I was on the fence about pulling the trigger on some JW Speakers through Marcus, but after reading this....next week can't come soon enough.

Really appreciate your hard work.
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thanks doc, excellent review. thank you or taking time to research this
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I love my Rebel lights. Best mod so far. I couldn't tell if my stock lights were on sometimes. Plus, my Jeep was a Rebel guinea pig so I got them for a REALLY great price. I have had them for about a year and have never gotten flack from any LEO about them.
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Great write up!

I couldn't help but notice that in both low and hi beam mode, the trucklights put out the most ambient light. You can clearly see more of the driveway than with the other lights. I wonder if this is a result of the shape of the lense.

I think this thing is finally coming together. Still Needed: drive shafts, frame mount rails...then done son! For a while...
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Great work Doc ! Thanks for your hard work !

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Great work Doc!!!

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First off Doc, great job and write up. Many thanks! Thank to those who participated although I have not read all of yours yet. And thanks to fawkers that bitched up a storm to get this posted finally.

I am glad I can buy J.W. Speaker direct. I have been really thinking about these. We have been using a lot of their other lights on my fire trucks and other vehicles that we build. Makes me feel a lot better now swapping out my headlights.

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Just got myself some Truck Lites... I am happy with my purchase and the light output.

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Doc, thanks so much for all the work, killer write up.

Glad to see the HID replacements I bought and installed faired so well (though I think they were pretty misaligned in your test, (another negative i would add to the somewhat poor install instructions.) A good walk through explaining proper alignment and adjustment after install is a must. You can find em elsewhere, just would have been nice to be part of the supplied kit. Once I finally got mine aligned I couldn't be happier!
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Glad to see the 2 I was debating between both got favorable ratings. Now to decide, Rebel, or HIDprojector...

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Awesome job Doc! You sure you don't want to trade a hundo and some Silverstars for the JW's!??

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Awesome!!! Really appreciate all the hard work, time, and money that has gone into this.

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Great write up!

I couldn't help but notice that in both low and hi beam mode, the trucklights put out the most ambient light. You can clearly see more of the driveway than with the other lights. I wonder if this is a result of the shape of the lense.
Don't let the pictures fool you the actual light measurements dont lie, the beamshots are always a little subjective.

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Doc, thanks so much for all the work, killer write up.

Glad to see the HID replacements I bought and installed faired so well (though I think they were pretty misaligned in your test, (another negative i would add to the somewhat poor install instructions.) A good walk through explaining proper alignment and adjustment after install is a must. You can find em elsewhere, just would have been nice to be part of the supplied kit. Once I finally got mine aligned I couldn't be happier!
They were aligned per DOT requirements. Myself I would have aimed them out about 6-8 inches at 25' due to the good overlap they have. you can also do the same with the JW's for the same reason
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Awesome job Doc! You sure you don't want to trade a hundo and some Silverstars for the JW's!??
awwww I no longer have any factory housings to stick them in
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Thanks for all the work. Well done.
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this makes me feel better about ordering HIDprojector is the kit u used the extra light kit
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Sweeeet! Thanks for all the hard work Doc! Glad it was finally posted up I will say that on the graph there were a few headlights I'm definitely not surprised about which ones they were. There was a couple, like the Deltas, and Rebel's Hellfire kit, that I'm pretty surprised by. I never would have guessed that these two would have done as well as they did (especially considering the price). I thought I had my mind made up on what I was going to get but this has me rethinking things. I should also say that I currently have the Deltas (had them for almost 2 years now) and while they're definitely better than stock both in output and beam pattern, they leave more to be desired. On the other hand, for the price, I think they are well worth it especially after looking at your comparison.

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Doc, I do have one question, what ballasts did you use for the HID Projector light? I believe he offers several variations including an AC or DC ballast and a 35 and 55 watt version. I believe this will make a difference on output so it would be nice to know so we have an idea of what the comparison was.

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awwww I no longer have any factory housings to stick them in
I have two extra sets, I got you covered! I'll throw in a half eaten bag of teriyaki jerky and a set of sport shocks...

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Thanks Doc and all the testers!

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They were aligned per DOT requirements. Myself I would have aimed them out about 6-8 inches at 25' due to the good overlap they have. you can also do the same with the JW's for the same reason
I Was actually referring to the fact that the beams don't appear to be on the same horizontal plane. When you show the shot of the beam pattern the driver beam seems to be horizontal, while the right hand beam seems rotated counterclockwise slighty. (but could just be the surface it's on?)

Ideally the horizontal cut offs would be perfectly in line and you wouldn't see that X. Again, it's one of my only criticisms of the lights, it was a total b*tch to get mine done perfectly. NOT a criticism of you! all the lights you had to do....sheesh. KILLER job!
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Some headlight optics incorporate that slight upturn on the passenger or driver side (E code) to illuminate roadside signs and objects. That wasn't misalignment.

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