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Track bar bracket upgrade

I am looking to upgrade my track bar bracket to a HD one. I am currently running 2.5in coil lift, stock drag link position, adjustable track bar (not sure what brand). I may be going with a larger long arm lift in the future, when funds allow, but for now, I am living with this lift.

I would like to get a HD track bar bracket that will allow me to run track bar in stock location now, but will allow for future changes, when and if I got to a higher lift and flipped drag link.

I like the Artec brackets, and will most likely be adding the truss to my rubi D44 so it would make sense to use their bracket. I don't think I want to get the stock bracket because if I ever to decide to flip the drag link I would need a completely new bracket. If I get the HD lifted bracket, not sure if I can run in stock location.

Are there any other brackets I should be looking at/ considereing?
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Good question, I'm not sure there is a bracket that exists for you want to do. It's usually either an HD stock replacement or a raised mount replacement/bracket.

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JKS makes one that wraps around/reinforces both the stock mount and passenger UCA mount. Both positions available.
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I run the Artec Truss with a flipped draglink and their HD bracket on 2.5" springs. The flipped DL isn't necessary for my application, but I have long arms and plan on going up another inch in height when I add coilovers.

There may also be room to drill an additional hole in the Artec trackbar mount to run the track bar near the stock location.
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JKS makes one that wraps around/reinforces both the stock mount and passenger UCA mount. Both positions available.
I ran this on my old axle. I think it would work for your application. I ran it in the stock TB location.

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With flipped drag link and 2.5in lift, do you have problems with drag link hitting the frame?

That is the downfall I have read about. eveything else about the flip sounds great.
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on a four door, with my 2.5" old man emu spring lift, src bumper and winch, my artec hd trackbar bracket was hitting the frame. Since I'll prbably never go higher than 3.5" we cut it off just below the upper hole. Per artec the higher hole on their raised bracket is strictly for 4" lift plus and flipped draglinks. The lower hole is 1 and 3/4" higher than stock. I am still trying to get the alignment and steering right.
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Poly bracket has 3 different mounting holes on theirs.
You could start at the bottom hole and raise it up as your lift grows!

I believe bottom hole is stock to 2 inch lift. Middle is 2-4 lift and top is 4-6 lift.

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so how much bump stop do they reccomend for 4-6"

not that I know chit....
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Poly bracket has 3 different mounting holes on theirs.
You could start at the bottom hole and raise it up as your lift grows!

I believe bottom hole is stock to 2 inch lift. Middle is 2-4 lift and top is 4-6 lift.
Time out.... It doesn't work like that man. You gotta use the holes to match the drag link position

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so how much bump stop do they reccomend for 4-6"

not that I know chit....
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Time out.... It doesn't work like that man. You gotta use the holes to match the drag link position
Give me a call if you want some help, this is sort of a bitch to explain by typing.
Yep, I was thinking of a rear trackbar mount with a non adjustable track bar.


What he said, you would use hole that keeps your track bar parrallel with your drag link.

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For my understanding, for the suspension to work properly the trac bar and drag link want to be parallell right?

So adding a HD trac bar bracket with a raised mounting location could affect the suspension and handling. With 2.5 in of lift, I am not sure if my drag link and trac bar are still inline, but I will look. Maybe I could use the upgraded bracket and flip the drag link.

When looking into death wobble, I found my drag link ends were bad, and I just ordered replacment parts, I couldn't find a HD drag link besides currie, and I didn't feel like spending $550 on that now, although it is sweet.

Should I be looking into rear track bar brackets, or adjustable rear trac bar?

what brands are good for that?
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For my understanding, for the suspension to work properly the trac bar and drag link want to be parallell right?

So adding a HD trac bar bracket with a raised mounting location could affect the suspension and handling. With 2.5 in of lift, I am not sure if my drag link and trac bar are still inline, but I will look. Maybe I could use the upgraded bracket and flip the drag link.

If you raise the trac bar. you will want to raise (flip) the drag link to keep them parallel. Bump steer and bad handling will result.

When looking into death wobble, I found my drag link ends were bad, and I just ordered replacment parts, I couldn't find a HD drag link besides currie, and I didn't feel like spending $550 on that now, although it is sweet.

Should I be looking into rear track bar brackets, or adjustable rear trac bar?

You could do either or. Slapping a adjustable rear TB will change your roll center but will still work. Using a raised bracket and keeping the TB leveler. With your stock bar will help keep body roll under control.

what brands are good for that?
Polly makes a great bracket for the rear. It bolts around the axle tube and sandwiches around the factory bracket which I like. This takes the weak factory bracket issues out of the equation.

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On my 2012 JKU run a Poly - Synergy / Relocation Bracket with a JKS Adjustable Trackbar in the front.

In the rear I run a (I just changed our the Teraflex stuff that came with my PreRunner kit) JKS - Adjustable Trackbar, a JKS - Rear Trackbar Brace and a JKS - Track Bar Relocation Bracket.

I am running a Teraflex PreRunner kit and have very little body roll. I am very happy with the way the JKS and Poly/Synergy stuff worked out. Both great companies who always stand behind their products.

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For my understanding, for the suspension to work properly the trac bar and drag link want to be parallell right?

So adding a HD trac bar bracket with a raised mounting location could affect the suspension and handling. With 2.5 in of lift, I am not sure if my drag link and trac bar are still inline, but I will look. Maybe I could use the upgraded bracket and flip the drag link.

When looking into death wobble, I found my drag link ends were bad, and I just ordered replacment parts, I couldn't find a HD drag link besides currie, and I didn't feel like spending $550 on that now, although it is sweet.

Should I be looking into rear track bar brackets, or adjustable rear trac bar?

what brands are good for that?
YES.

YES and it could effect it negativity if the drag link geometry doesn't match up.

The Synergy Replacement Drag Link can be used in the factory configuration or in a high steer configuration.

Might be worth giving me a call if you want some more info.

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Dave, just called and spoke with Mike. First let me say thank you for all your tech support here and on the phone even though it didn't lead to an immediate sale for poly. It will influence where I buy the next thing.

What he said makes complete sense to me. Get a drop pitman that lowers the trckbar frameside 1.5-2" to match how much the Artec Trackbar bracket raised the axle side. With my small lift 2-2.5 it looks like I shold have used the stock height bracket. So my choice is remove a welded on raised bracket or lower the pitman. Flipping the draglink would only muddle things further it seems. We also discussed that lowerign the pitman stresses the steering box but wiht 33-35s this is not as much of a worry. Now I just have to find one. Qtec list them by lift size not drop amount......thank god I like research....
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Dave, just called and spoke with Mike. First let me say thank you for all your tech support here and on the phone even though it didn't lead to an immediate sale for poly. It will influence where I buy the next thing.

What he said makes complete sense to me. Get a drop pitman that lowers the trckbar frameside 1.5-2" to match how much the Artec Trackbar bracket raised the axle side. With my small lift 2-2.5 it looks like I shold have used the stock height bracket. So my choice is remove a welded on raised bracket or lower the pitman. Flipping the draglink would only muddle things further it seems. We also discussed that lowerign the pitman stresses the steering box but wiht 33-35s this is not as much of a worry. Now I just have to find one. Qtec list them by lift size not drop amount......thank god I like research....
I got a few more ideas for you...
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For those that might be reading this for info....after further discussion with artec, poly and terflex who were all very helpful (Shit PIG called me at 1800) it appears while dropping the pitman may make geometric sense its bad juju. Seems using the raised tb bracket was just a mistake on my part and should go. Bastards welded on strong and all nice and painted too

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