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MetalCloak Suspension Build

I have decided to try out the MetalCloak suspension since I have had great experience with MetalCloak in the past and I feel that I have outgrown my 2.5 Teraflex lift. I will be piecing the kit together as I can afford it. I will be ordering their 3.5 dual rate springs, adjustable front bumpstops, and brake lines tomorrow. I will keep you guys posted on how this set up works out for me. Eventually I will have their complete suspension set up with their six pack shocks.

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Nice. Looking forward to seeing how this one comes out.

Are you getting their control arms as well?
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Nice. Looking forward to seeing how this one comes out.

Are you getting their control arms as well?
I will eventually get them, I'm curious how their joints are gonna perform. I havent seen a MetalCloak build yet but Im sure I will be happy.

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Looking forward to the results/updates.

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I have been checking out their control arms myself. I am gonna try the front lowers.
Looks like they put a lot of thought into them.

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Thank you for considering our new suspension. I am one of the engineers at MetalCloak and I would just like to ask you some questions before you buy components. Our system will give you the best combination of comfort ride, crazy flex and at speed handling of any manufacturers system and I look forward to proving it to you (not just saying it!). But every part of the system contributes to the performance, therefore to get all of the benefits you need the entire system.

If you plan to buy the system in components there is an order in which to buy the components that will give you the most performance improvements early in the build process. This order is based on what components you already have on your JK. I would like to help if you would allow.

Does your Teraflex 2.5" lift use your stock control arms or Teraflex Control arms?

Do you have aftermarket fenders? If so which.

What size tires are you running? or do you plan to run?

I realize some of this information might be in your build description but I just want to make sure.

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Thank you for considering our new suspension. I am one of the engineers at MetalCloak and I would just like to ask you some questions before you buy components. Our system will give you the best combination of comfort ride, crazy flex and at speed handling of any manufacturers system and I look forward to proving it to you (not just saying it!). But every part of the system contributes to the performance, therefore to get all of the benefits you need the entire system.

If you plan to buy the system in components there is an order in which to buy the components that will give you the most performance improvements early in the build process. This order is based on what components you already have on your JK. I would like to help if you would allow.

Does your Teraflex 2.5" lift use your stock control arms or Teraflex Control arms?

Do you have aftermarket fenders? If so which.

What size tires are you running? or do you plan to run?

I realize some of this information might be in your build description but I just want to make sure.
Thanks for posting up! I had a lengthy conversation with Matson yesterday addressing some of the same concerns.

1.I have upper and lower front adjustable Rockkrawler arms.
2.I am currently running factory modded fenders for now.
3.I am running 37's but I may go up no bigger than 40's.

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I just figured I would throw this out there being I started similar. First off building on a budget sucks. LOL I started with MetalCloak's suspension system, minus their control arms. I was already running Teraflex's adjustable flex arms so I didn't see a need to upgrade those. I installed their kit in my garage 6-packs and all then headed up to their shop to see what it did on the CTI. When I showed up at the shop we put it on their CTI ramps, we could see my arms joints pushing against the control arm mounts. Then they asked me to take them for a ride, at this point they suggested I install their control arms, I didn't believe it was gonna make much of a difference, but I went for it. We got them installed and went for a ride and to my absolute amazement the jeep rode much smoother. Then we took it back to the CTI and I gained 40 points. I took the jeep home, did some more clearancing and now it is scoring a 920 on the CTI. I have owned other JK's 2 had long arm kits and two set up with short arms. This jeep out flexes all of them and rides as well, if not better than my 4 doors did. I can't say enough about their kit. I suggest talking to MetalCloak about how to piece it together to get the most out of the parts you already have. Here are a couple of pics of my rig in action.


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You won't be dissapointed, our JKU rides awesome and flexes like crazy. I find the Metalcloak suspension is a system, it is apparant they spent time engineering each componant to work with each other.


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So I listened to your guys advice and went with their upper and lower front arms as well. I will install their springs first with my current rk arms and then with their arms in order to compare the ride differences. I will report back once I receive and install the new parts. Once I sell my old stuff I will complete the lift.

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Are any of you guys running their shocks?

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I would like to see some actual pics of the control arms. Not computer models.
And will they work with 4.5 lift, warranty, etc..
I am intrigued by these and really looking for arms.

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I would like to see some actual pics of the control arms. Not computer models.
And will they work with 4.5 lift, warranty, etc..
I am intrigued by these and really looking for arms.
I got the chance to see them at TDS and they look pretty stout. When I spoke with Matson from MetalCloak today he expressed his concern that I would not feel the true awesomeness of his suspension using my current arms. I only have the RK front arms so I figured what the heck I might as well switch them out for the MetalCloak arms. When I get the parts from Metalcloak I will post pics of the arms uninstalled as well as installed.

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I think I know what all the control arm hoopla is all about, but I have yet to see it posted. Besides, I am shy and do not want to go out on a limb here.

I would like to understand the engineering principles involved that create the extraordinary on road ride characteristics that are associated with changing control arms, specifically, removing TeraFlex and installing Metal Cloak (as claimed above).

The is Modified Tech and I am dying for some. After all, Metal Cloak doesn't get to the top of MT very often, so someone smart should get to the meat of this system, and specifically, why would anybody choose one.
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I think I know what all the control arm hoopla is all about, but I have yet to see it posted. Besides, I am shy and do not want to go out on a limb here.

I would like to understand the engineering principles involved that create the extraordinary on road ride characteristics that are associated with changing control arms, specifically, removing TeraFlex and installing Metal Cloak (as claimed above).

The is Modified Tech and I am dying for some. After all, Metal Cloak doesn't get to the top of MT very often, so someone smart should get to the meat of this system, and specifically, why would anybody choose one.
I dont want to speak for Metalcloak but when speaking to them today it seemed that their rod ends make all the difference in ride quality according to them. They were gonna send me their rod ends to put on my RK arms but I opted just to use theirs and sell my RK arms to fund the rear arms.

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Yea i'm really curious as well and there isnt a whole lot of real world info on this system. I've ran their armor on my 2 door and was really happy with the quality and customer service. They brought my armor and fenders out to TDS last year so I wouldnt have to pay for shipping!

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Yea i'm really curious as well and there isnt a whole lot of real world info on this system. I've ran their armor on my 2 door and was really happy with the quality and customer service. They brought my armor and fenders out to TDS last year so I wouldnt have to pay for shipping!
they seem like a really good, well thought out product. kudos to you for givin em a shot.


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I thought I posted earlier today....before your discussion with Matson. But it did not post for some reason so I am rewriting it now.

1) Install MC front control arms. Keep your rear stock control arms.

2) Brakelines if you need them, you will definately need them for the 6 Pak shocks. Adjustable bump stop is good to buy at this time because you will adjust them through out this process.

3) Coil Springs next but remember, if you don't have aftermarket bumpers or armor the lift will actually be about 4.5". You will need to adjust your track bars after the new Coils (recenter axles after you drive it around the block a few times). The free length of the coils will seem very long but they are in prep for the 6 Pak Shocks. If you don't already have a relocation bracket for the rear track bar you will experience a little bump steer.

4) You will need to buy the 6 Pak shocks, sway bar links, sway bar bracket and and brakes lines at the same time. No choice.

5) Next...Track bars front and rear to improve up travel

6) Rear Control Arms next to improve flex but maintain stock ride quality.

7) Finally Hi Clearance fenders or you will be wasting up travel with your bump stops.

I hope this information is helpful. Remember if you are not completely happy with our stuff just say so and we will give you a full refund. We very confident with the quality of this system.

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For comparison's sake here's an RK 2.5 Max Travel on 37s. The shocks are 4-6" Fox 2.0s and I was running RK lowers and stock uppers in this picture.

No, I don't have CTI numbers on mine, but if we are posting in the field photos I think this is a decent comparison. I want to know as much as the rest of these guys what makes your arms ride, flex, and operate so much better than what we are running.







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For comparison's sake here's an RK 2.5 Max Travel on 37s. The shocks are 4-6" Fox 2.0s and I was running RK lowers and stock uppers in this picture.

No, I don't have CTI numbers on mine, but if we are posting in the field photos I think this is a decent comparison. I want to know as much as the rest of these guys what makes your arms ride, flex, and operate so much better than what we are running.
Thats what Im trying to find out. They make some bold statements about their products that I hope I will agree with after all is said and done. But I guess you cant go wrong with a money back guarantee

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Does the MC kit allow for the rear axle to be pushed back for better handling like other kits do?
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We have a video that is almost done coming out next week regarding the control arms and why they do what they do.....right Matson!?!?
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I asked them about this today and the answer was yes. They said the arms come "preset" to a length that will center the tires in the wheel well.

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We move the back axle back 5/8" with our control arms so that it centers on a trimmed wheel well. That is about all you can do before the rear coils start to hit the track bar.
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