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Crush sleeve eliminator kit?

Does anybody know if their is a crush sleeve eliminator kit for the dana 30 & dana 44 non-rubicon axle? I've looked everywhere and have only found a kit for the dana 44 rubicon axles from Dynatrac.

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Anybody? I called Ratech yesterday to see if they made smart sleeves for the jk axles, but they don't. Would really like to eliminate the crush sleeves. Any suggestions?

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We have made them as we need them, you can also use a spacer kit for a 9 Inch Ford.
We could probably make you some if needed.
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We have made them as we need them, you can also use a spacer kit for a 9 Inch Ford.
We could probably make you some if needed.
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Ok that sounds good! How much?

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Not yet. I'll look them up thanks!

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What's are the benefits and disadvantages of eliminating the crush sleeve? I know it purpose is to maintain bearing preload.

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x2 never heard of this? How to you maintain proper preload without one?
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Crush sleeves do not hold the preload, they were invented to speed up the gear set-up process. There are some applications where shimming is the prefered method.

The orignal way to set gears is to set with shims. Preload always changes as the bearings wear in both applications.

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Yup... I have a solid spacer for the 14 bolt. Just make sure you have extra shims.
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Ok that sounds good! How much?
I will have to see if we have any material and i will see if we have 9 inch shims.
We do all of are JK axle setups with spacers and shims, I think it is easier and will hold up better.
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I will have to see if we have any material and i will see if we have 9 inch shims.
We do all of are JK axle setups with spacers and shims, I think it is easier and will hold up better.
Thanks! Shims and spacers are much easier to setup. In some cases spacers are stronger. Crush sleeves are a one shot deal! You over torque the sleeve your sleeve is shot. Plus the crush sleeves for the jk require 350-400 ft/lbs of torque. Its just something I don't like to deal with!

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350-400ft lbs? isnt that the initial force needed to start the crush not the final setpoint? arent you still looking for 20-40 in/lbs (with new bearings/races according to poly) turning torque not the just going to 350 and done?


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Yes that's the initial setup 350-400. Everything you stated is correct. Trying to start the initial crush is a pain in the ass and something I don't like to deal with. And if you crush it to much your sleeve is shot. You'd have to get a new crush sleeve. Eliminator kit is just something i'd prefer over the crush sleeve.

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If/when I install new gears I'd like to go this route too. It seems to me the shim method is more error proof since you don't have to dick around with the crush sleeve. I'm surprised there aren't a lot of aftermarket venders selling these.

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I'm surprised there aren't a lot of aftermarket venders selling these.
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If/when I install new gears I'd like to go this route too. It seems to me the shim method is more error proof since you don't have to dick around with the crush sleeve. I'm surprised there aren't a lot of aftermarket venders selling these.
Isn't really error proof and it takes more time unless you really know what you are doing. The Crush sleeve is more error proof, I would say shims are more forgiving.

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Maybe 'error proof' isn't really the correct term. It seems like it would be so much easier to setup bearing preload. You could use a set of setup bearings to dail in the shims needed and then do your final adjustments. It seems like a much simplier process to me. Maybe I'm oversimplifying it though.

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Maybe 'error proof' isn't really the correct term. It seems like it would be so much easier to setup bearing preload. You could use a set of setup bearings to dail in the shims needed and then do your final adjustments. It seems like a much simplier process to me. Maybe I'm oversimplifying it though.
You just have to be patient with the whole process. I'm going to be using set-up bearings with my gear install. A friend of mine who is more experienced with ring & pinion install is helping me.

Although i've gotten a really good quote from a professional installer, so i may let them do my install. It'll take me atleast two to three days to do the install where it'll take them one! Plus if i screw them up its on me, if they screw it up its on them!

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The nice thing about solid spaced is you don't have to worry if you need to R&R the yoke. Run it home and torque, if you use the crush sleeve you have to worry about compressing it too much.

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I just got off the phone with Todd at JSS. He's hooking me up with two crush sleeve eliminator kits for the D44 to tryout and see which will workout the best when i do the gear install later on this month. Todd was very cool to work with and i appreciate his time & patients working with me on this! Thanks Todd!

I'll have a full report later on this month to let everyone know how these turn out!

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Well i wanted to post up an update on this. Todd a JSS made up 3 different size spacers with many different shims. The kit worked out perfect! We installed it in the rear D44 with 5.13s & a ARB locker. The preload was set at 15 in/lbs. I'd like to thank Todd & JSS for their help!

Todd wasn't able to make a kit for the D30 in time before i did the install, and after looking at the D30 pinion i understand why. It would have required a tappered sleeve in order to work with the small D30 pinion.

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