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Someone recommend me a winch for a 2 door jk on 37s!

Someone recommend me a winch i have a 2 door jk on 37s. Ive looked at warn,smitybilt,superwinch etc. I have a budget of about $800-850 for a winch. I found myself needing a winch the other day and of coarse i was by myself. I got lucky and got out though but this will be my next mod after my tax return comes in. I would perfer a synthetic line also thanks alot. I will post up some pics of the after math in a sec.
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You can buy a lower end Warn with synthetic already on it for around that cost. Or a Superwinch is also a good bet.

Unless you are in a hurry, watch the used market as Warn 9.5ti go for around 7ish used in good condition and then you can buy your own rope to spool it and be in the ballpark price range you're looking to spend and have an awesome winch.

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I have a Superwinch 8500 and I love it. Got it from Amazon for under $300

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You can buy a lower end Warn with synthetic already on it for around that cost. Or a Superwinch is also a good bet.

Unless you are in a hurry, watch the used market as Warn 9.5ti go for around 7ish used in good condition and then you can buy your own rope to spool it and be in the ballpark price range you're looking to spend and have an awesome winch.
I was looking at the vr8000 and vr10000 are these good winches? What would be the better one to go with for my 2 door?
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I have a Superwinch 8500 and I love it. Got it from Amazon for under $300
Nice price ive heard nothing bad about super winch they are very affordable.
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I'm thinking about getting the VR10,000-S although I think the VR8000-S will be fine.

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Nice price ive heard nothing bad about super winch they are very affordable.
With your budget you can get a nice solid bumper to mount it too also. When I was shopping, a buddy of mine recommended the Superwinch. He has it on a 4 door with 37's. Sure a Warn is better but the Superwinch works in a pinch.

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I'm thinking about getting the VR10,000-S although I think the VR8000-S will be fine.

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I know a guy that is running the vr8000 on a 4 door with 1 tons and 39.5s and he says it works great. Im like you though for only $100 more you can get the vr10000
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I was looking at the vr8000 and vr10000 are these good winches? What would be the better one to go with for my 2 door?
Those basically replaced the m8000 winch which many people love. Those also have your rope so I'd say they would be a good choice for you. I know a few people that have the vr8000s and they are happy with them, but that exact series is kind of new so I can't really say long term. However, they are Warns so they will likely last. If something does happen, they have great warranty and exceptional customer service so I wouldn't think twice about getting one. They are, however, on the lower end of the scale for Warns. This doesn't mean they are bad, but they are a bit slower when no load is on the line. This isn't really a big deal.


Also, an 8k would be sufficient. The 10k just has lower gearing, but otherwise is identical. The rule of thumb is 1.5X the weight of your rig, so 8 k is almost double.

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I have a recon 10.5 with synthetic that I got for 429. It has worked awesome so far. My only complaint is my brake wasn't holding under super hard pull.
If I had the dough I would probably get a warn also. Hard to beat there warranty.
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For cheap money, I ran a Harbor Frieght 10k for many years. Slow as shit, but ALWAYS worked. After about 5 years, the solenoids starting sticking but that happens with any winch that lives on a daily driver that lives in a climate with salted roads.

I have a buddy who went through a few of those Recons because the motors would die with only a few pulls, so I can't recommend those. Many people have reported decent things about Smittys, but again, I have two friends with those that have had numerous issues, so I wouldn't go that route. With the VR series winches being priced under $500 and even the nicer Superwinches being priced so well, it's hard to ignore those options.

Seeing as we are posting photos... This photo doesn't do it justice, but this was about two weeks ago. I led a group though a trail that wasn't scouted previously and had a layer of ice followed by anywhere from about 6 to 14 inches of icy snow on top. It took about 5 hours to get a group of 11 rigs through about 2.5 miles. The trail went into a valley and snaked around trees back up the hills. The hills were steep enough you could sled down them on your ass involuntarily if you were careful. As the leader breaking trail, I basically had to winch the entire trail. Times like this is where having the faster line speed sure is nice. As max pull weight, all winches are only pulling about 5 to 7 ft a minute, but at anything less than max pull weight, the higher end winches sure are nice! If I were breaking trail with my old HF winch pulling at no more than 7 ft a minute, I think I would have cried. lol

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With that budget, I think I'd be looking at a 10,000lb X2o with a synthetic rope. I've had good success with my Smittybilt XRC, I think the waterproofing of the X2o is a great idea. I compared a badlands harbor freight to a smittybilt x2o, looks almost identical.

I have a 12,000lb winch on a 2dr, it's extremely excessive..however I have yet to say "damn, I wish I didn't get such a large capacity winch". It works fine, slow, low current draw...has yet to give me a reason not to like it.

Overall it comes down to what you feel like spending, what brand will make you feel confident in it and how often you use it. ALL of them make a winch that will work, some absolutely have a better reputation...some just have poor quality control. If I needed a winch every weekend, a high end Warn would be on my Jeep. I "need" a winch once every few months it seems, my Smitty does fine and has proved itself to be reliable to me. I feel their shaky reputation seems to be due to poor quality control, some of their units just plain don't work...while others seem to last several years trouble free. I have seen issues with the solenoid packs, by Spring I'll likely order a solenoid pack and just replace it to make it a non-issue for awhile (which it has not been an issue).


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For cheap money, I ran a Harbor Frieght 10k for many years. Slow as shit, but ALWAYS worked. After about 5 years, the solenoids starting sticking but that happens with any winch that lives on a daily driver that lives in a climate with salted roads.

I have a buddy who went through a few of those Recons because the motors would die with only a few pulls, so I can't recommend those. Many people have reported decent things about Smittys, but again, I have two friends with those that have had numerous issues, so I wouldn't go that route. With the VR series winches being priced under $500 and even the nicer Superwinches being priced so well, it's hard to ignore those options.

Seeing as we are posting photos... This photo doesn't do it justice, but this was about two weeks ago. I led a group though a trail that wasn't scouted previously and had a layer of ice followed by anywhere from about 6 to 14 inches of icy snow on top. It took about 5 hours to get a group of 11 rigs through about 2.5 miles. The trail went into a valley and snaked around trees back up the hills. The hills were steep enough you could sled down them on your ass involuntarily if you were careful. As the leader breaking trail, I basically had to winch the entire trail. Times like this is where having the faster line speed sure is nice. As max pull weight, all winches are only pulling about 5 to 7 ft a minute, but at anything less than max pull weight, the higher end winches sure are nice! If I were breaking trail with my old HF winch pulling at no more than 7 ft a minute, I think I would have cried. lol
You never said, but what winch are you running now? Is it still HF? Thanks

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You never said, but what winch are you running now? Is it still HF? Thanks
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Thanks for all the replys and photos guys I'm leaning towards the vr line of warn just have to narrow done weather I want the 8000 or 10000 with syn rope. I don't need a winch all the time but when I do I need it to work.

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No one mentioned Engo. I got one for $309 shipped with steel cable. 12k. Hasn't failed yet. Their warranty matches Warns. Everyone says good things about them.

I'm all about not overspending to have a cool 'W' on the front of my Jeep.
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No one mentioned Engo. I got one for $309 shipped with steel cable. 12k. Hasn't failed yet. Their warranty matches Warns. Everyone says good things about them.

I'm all about not overspending to have a cool 'W' on the front of my Jeep.
This. I got the 9000 pound with synthetic rope for $409 shipped. Lifetime warranty on hard parts, 1 yr warranty on electronics. The winch itself is relatively light weight, they whole assembly with synthetic rope was only about 60 pounds. I havent gotten to really use mine yet as I jsut put it on 2 weeks ago. But I did respool it under load by pulling my jeep to a tree in the yard, and it performed flawlessly.

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Thanks for all the replys and photos guys I'm leaning towards the vr line of warn just have to narrow done weather I want the 8000 or 10000 with syn rope. I don't need a winch all the time but when I do I need it to work.

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Go 10k, never know when you may have to pull a full size or something. Lower current draw as well. Just my 2cents!
Part of me agrees and part of me doesn't. When I had my HF, I had a 10k because I figured the extra power would strain it less and it would live longer. With the Warn, I don't think I would be concerned with that. Reading the specs on the two winches, they are identical other than the gearing, so the 10k would be slower. Most pulls aren't anywhere close to max capacity, even with heavy rigs. Considering the $100 premium for the 10k over the 8k and the slightly slower line speeds, I'd go for the 8k. In a any decent winch accessory bag is at least one pulley block for angled pulls and such. This is also a way to easily double the pulling capacity of the winch.

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Part of me agrees and part of me doesn't. When I had my HF, I had a 10k because I figured the extra power would strain it less and it would live longer. With the Warn, I don't think I would be concerned with that. Reading the specs on the two winches, they are identical other than the gearing, so the 10k would be slower. Most pulls aren't anywhere close to max capacity, even with heavy rigs. Considering the $100 premium for the 10k over the 8k and the slightly slower line speeds, I'd go for the 8k. In a any decent winch accessory bag is at least one pulley block for angled pulls and such. This is also a way to easily double the pulling capacity of the winch.
It's more than fine to disagree on that, it's certainly not required. I feel the $100 would be well spent but it's up to everyone. I've definitely seen loaded up JKUs with 8000lb winches on the nose, seems to work fine for them. I don't get wrapped up in being concerned with line speed, that has yet to really affect my opinion of any winch...a hurry is something I am not in when it's time to pull cable. A snatch block is a must for anyone with a winch, I run around with 2 heavy duty snatch blocks just in case. Something will move! lol

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It's more than fine to disagree on that, it's certainly not required. I feel the $100 would be well spent but it's up to everyone. I've definitely seen loaded up JKUs with 8000lb winches on the nose, seems to work fine for them. I don't get wrapped up in being concerned with line speed, that has yet to really affect my opinion of any winch...a hurry is something I am not in when it's time to pull cable. A snatch block is a must for anyone with a winch, I run around with 2 heavy duty snatch blocks just in case. Something will move! lol
Don't take my statements as saying you're wrong either. Not at all. Like you mentioned before, it's what the owner of the jeep finds most usefull. I too have seen some damn heavy rigs work well with 8 k winches. I've also seen Samurais with 10k winches. To me, it's not that I'm in a hurry when winching but it is nice. Consider this; often times when winch pulls are needed, you really only need a few feet of pull to get over or through whatever was holding you up, but in order to get a good anchor point, you pull out 30 to 50 foot of rope. You do your pull, then you are now sitting still while spooling your rope back onto the drum. With my old HF winch, that literally took forever! It's speed, unloaded, was still only like 7 ft per min. So 50ft of rope was over 7 minutes! My 9.5ti on the other hand, has a 63 ft per min unloaded speed, so that same 50 ft gets spooled in in under a minute. That sure is nice! Another thing to consider is if you keep driving to get over the rough spot once you are freed by your winch. With my old winch, I would run over my rope in very short order unless someone was out there keeping it out of the way. With the 9.5ti, I can continue spooling and it'll keep it out of my way without issue.

It should be noted though that my old HF winch and my Warn are very opposite ends of the spectrum (one being one of the slowest on the market, to the other being 2nd fastest on the market). Considering the VR8000 and the VR10000, the speeds are within a 1 or 2 ft per min for comparable loads, so the difference for someone buying it should be the cost, and if they think they'll every need the extra oomph of the 10k.

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I have smittybilt XRC 8 comp series now for about 2 years and you get what you pay for..
In the next couple weeks I will be getting Warn 9.5cti...

If I had known back then I would have bought Warn... last time my shittbilt stopped working I had to spend two days cleaning the mud out of the gears...

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