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C Gussets - Do I need upper AND Lower?

Why do you need lower C Gussetts? Getting ready to have them put in and was just wondering if you need upper and lower. I see most have them and some dont. I am definitely not an expert but it seems if they bend it would more than likely be the uppers that bend. Can anyone explain/clarify this?

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I'd say they aren't as necessary as the uppers since there is less leverage against the C there and the stress is sent through the knuckle to the upper (more/less). However. It is a minimal amount of work to install them once you are already doing uppers, it'd be silly not to do lowers as well. It's certainly not a bad idea and it's not worth it once you've already done the prep work for uppers.

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you don't "need" to wear clean underware every day either, till that one day you get hit by a bus and are treated by the hottest ER nurse you have ever seen.
Trust me, it don't matter wether or not your wearing clean underwear. You get hit by a bus, your shorts will be streaked no matter what!

Do both the upper and lowers at the same time. The extra cost at this point is absolutely minimal.
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I only gusseted the uppers and have no fear of the lowers bending.
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You guys should be WAY more concerned with bending the tubes.


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I would say both C gussets and sleeves are both very important. The difference being the install labor on the sleeves. I was lucky enough to be on the forums before I got around to the R&P change so, I just pulled the axle to install the gears and do all the welding.

I have seen more bent Cs posted than broken housings. For the person that is price conscience the cost of Cs can easily be justified.

As far as welding on just the tops there is no reason not to weld on the bottoms even if it is just for looks. Once added the Cs do make the housings look a hell of a lot more beefy IMO. If I looked at an axle (and I do of every lifted JK I see in a parking lot, a lot like a biker checks out the rear tire wear on other motorcycles) and just saw the tops on I would go WTF

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X2 on that!
I did the Tops and Bottoms at the same time. Figured why not, I'm already here.

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Thanks everyone. Upper and lower c gussets and front LCA skids going on tomorrow.

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You guys should be WAY more concerned with bending the tubes.
Have you guys ever heard of anyone bending there driver side tube?

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^^^^^^ Nope I have not. The tube is very short and there is not as much leverage on the tube. As far as axle tubes it is the same situation as lower Cs gussets. When you are there you might as well install the short side, beef up the whole axle housing and make them match. IMO.

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I'm one of those that only had upper C's installed and I have no fear that I will get a bend there at all. There were a couple of reasons I went with just uppers, though. First, and foremost, the TeraFlex gussets were the only ones readily available to me in the short time I had to get them installed before a wheeling trip. But they were a bit more cost-effective, too, at $35 vs. $90 for the EVO's or any other upper & lower sets. Had the Polys been readily available, yeah, I probably would've gone with upper and lower, but since they weren't and I had limited time, I went with what was available. And the manager of the shop where I had them burned on said he didn't really see a need for lowers anyway because he'd never seen tubes get bent downward at that point.

Do the upper and lower gussets make the axle look beefier? Sure. Do I give a shit? Not really. As long as they do what they're supposed to do, I'm a happy camper. Besides....who's going to be looking at my c-gussets when I'm wheelin' anyway?

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Went to River Raider Off Road today and got upper/lower C gussets installed, as well as, front lower control arms skids. Thanks Joe @ RROR! They were great to deal with. The best part, I didn't realize their price included trussing my D30 as well.

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Any idea of the price on the River Raider d30 truss alone? Is it something there going to sell?
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No idea. Send them a pm there on the vender list.

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I would say both C gussets and sleeves are both very important. The difference being the install labor on the sleeves. I was lucky enough to be on the forums before I got around to the R&P change so, I just pulled the axle to install the gears and do all the welding.
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I have seen more bent Cs posted than broken housings. For the person that is price conscience the cost of Cs can easily be justified.
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Have you guys ever heard of anyone bending there driver side tube?
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Have you guys ever heard of anyone bending there driver side tube?
I've seen bent and broken short side tubes.

I am replacing my axle housing since I spun a bearing.
I will be sleeving, gusseting, skids and reinforcing all brackets while it is out and bare.

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I'm one of those that only had upper C's installed and I have no fear that I will get a bend there at all. There were a couple of reasons I went with just uppers, though. First, and foremost, the TeraFlex gussets were the only ones readily available to me in the short time I had to get them installed before a wheeling trip. But they were a bit more cost-effective, too, at $35 vs. $90 for the EVO's or any other upper & lower sets. Had the Polys been readily available, yeah, I probably would've gone with upper and lower, but since they weren't and I had limited time, I went with what was available. And the manager of the shop where I had them burned on said he didn't really see a need for lowers anyway because he'd never seen tubes get bent downward at that point.

Do the upper and lower gussets make the axle look beefier? Sure. Do I give a shit? Not really. As long as they do what they're supposed to do, I'm a happy camper. Besides....who's going to be looking at my c-gussets when I'm wheelin' anyway?
Same here, did the teraflex and they only have the uppers(at least when I bought them).

Never have really worried about with my 35's but I happened across someone selling just the synergy lower C gussets and jumped on them. Having them welded along with my RK front track bar bracket next week.

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