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5.13 gear nightmare/issues

Long story shot, dropped off the Jeep JKU to get regeared, and the shop called me and tells me it has bent axle tubes f and r. He explains to me that he knew there was a problem as soon as he pulled the diff covers, b/c of the large amount of metal shavings on the magnet. I just put riddlers diff covers on not more than 5k ago, and everything looked great when I was in there, nothing appeared bad as far as the gears looked. I am gonna go look at it in the a.m. He has the jigs out to show me that they are bent. What should I be looking for when I go. He quoted roughly $1800 on top of the regear to straighten, sleeve, and gusset both the rear dana 44 and front dana 30, and regear them to 5.13's. What in the hell do I look for/do

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Wow...for $1800 I'd just buy new CHROME-MOLY shafts instead of paying labor to have the old ones straightened and sleeved.
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Hell that is what I was thinking. Surely I have options?

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Wow...for $1800 I'd just buy new CHROME-MOLY shafts instead of paying labor to have the old ones straightened and sleeved.
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Hell that is what I was thinking. Surely I have options?
shafts arent gonna help you if its the tube thats bent. besides that i really dont know what to tell you. my front axle is pretty bent but im just gonna keep driving on it and save for a 44.

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What are you running and what are you doing to have bent front AND rear axles??? Think he's full of shit!

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Long story shot, dropped off the Jeep JKU to get regeared, and the shop called me and tells me it has bent axle tubes f and r. He explains to me that he knew there was a problem as soon as he pulled the diff covers, b/c of the large amount of metal shavings on the magnet. I just put riddlers diff covers on not more than 5k ago, and everything looked great when I was in there, nothing appeared bad as far as the gears looked. I am gonna go look at it in the a.m. He has the jigs out to show me that they are bent. What should I be looking for when I go. He quoted roughly $1800 on top of the regear to straighten, sleeve, and gusset both the rear dana 44 and front dana 30, and regear them to 5.13's. What in the hell do I look for/do
2 logical choices:

Heads- accept quote and get all the work done.
Tails- pay inspection and reassembly charge, take a deep breath and do some additional research.

Just a minute (coin toss)......Tails. You win.
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On edit - I just read that it is $1800 ON TOP of the rest of the work.... what is he charging for the regear?

I would replace the axle seals too... unless you want to tear it apart again in the near future.
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On edit - I just read that it is $1800 ON TOP of the rest of the work.... what is he charging for the regear?

I would replace the axle seals too... unless you want to tear it apart again in the near future.
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Long story shot, dropped off the Jeep JKU to get regeared, and the shop called me and tells me it has bent axle tubes f and r. He explains to me that he knew there was a problem as soon as he pulled the diff covers, b/c of the large amount of metal shavings on the magnet. I just put riddlers diff covers on not more than 5k ago, and everything looked great when I was in there, nothing appeared bad as far as the gears looked. I am gonna go look at it in the a.m. He has the jigs out to show me that they are bent. What should I be looking for when I go. He quoted roughly $1800 on top of the regear to straighten, sleeve, and gusset both the rear dana 44 and front dana 30, and regear them to 5.13's. What in the hell do I look for/do
I personally think this guy is full of crap, but hey, that's just me. I've watched these forums for nearly three years, ever since I got my '09. I've never heard of a bent rear JK housing. Front, yes, usually after someone has beaten the crap out of it running 37s, etc. I don't know of any company selling REAR sleeves for the JK either. Further, a few guys have had their front housings straightened, it involved removing the axle assembly, a total tear down and shipping it off to an axle specialist to straighten on a high tonnage hydraulic press.

The way you determine if either are bent is to put the rig on an alignment rack and get readings. If they show the front and rear wheel camber has gone WAY negative, you have bent housings, bent front inner "C"s, or both. Bear in mind that many, if not most JKs will have slightly negative front readings and be perfectly fine. Not sure what "jigs" the guys says he has, but they'd be pretty suspect in my book.

$1,800 will nearly buy you a Dynatrac PR44 housing. Spend your money some place else.
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Buy new axles if they're really bent. If you bent them once you will again. Pick up a PR44 front and a D60 rear and call it a day if you don't have the coin for a front 60.


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Not sure what "jigs" the guys says he has, but they'd be pretty suspect in my book.
Real deal - jigs usual hold the alignment of the axle housing when welding them up.

Like you, never heard of a rear 44 bent that was running 35s and jumping curb stops.

But, just for the sake of breaking down the price. Quoting about a business day per axle to R&R, make straight, and make mods - probably not that far off IMO.
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what kills me as I have been saving for the regear for ever, got the cash so I didn't have to go in debt, then this shit

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Assuming pr44 is a pro rock?

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The "jig" that he is using must be an alignment bar. If its anything other than a alignment bar he's probably full of it cause there is no such jig that I'm aware of. Please post pictures of the setup he shows you and ask for a day to think it over. I'd really like to see it and we all can probably let you know if its worth dealing with or not.


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Assuming pr44 is a pro rock?
Yep, Pro Rock 44 up front if you don't wanna drop the coin for a 60.

I didn't catch it up there, but if your front locker is still good, you might be able to sell it to someone with a Rubi as a backup 'cause those things are apparently made of gold.


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non rubicon jku, I am being charged 1400 for the regear to 5.13 yukons,

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Guy is probably trying to take your money. I've heard of it costing only a few hundred bucks to straighten an axle.


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I have wheeled the crap out of my rig. And I have yet to bend a tube on my 44s with 35s. I went to 37 stickies so I did the sleeve and gusset and trussed the front and the rear. I think this guy may have so incorrect info. You need to go look at it and use your judgement and decide either to go with him or to go some were else. if you are not sure were to go from there I have a good friend that just moved from there and he could point you in the right direction shop wise. Good Luck man

Oh and P.S if the guy knows what hes doing he will or has already quoted you axle seals.
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For comparison, I paid just under $2K for new 5:13 gears front and rear, sleeved and c gusset for the front.

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Guys i paid 500 for my regear and paid 400 for the gears...those companies charging 1400 or stuff like that just for a regear....i'd go elsewhere to begin with
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I paid $650 but the front needs to come back apart for two leaking seals from the regear.


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Colorado Springs? Is it Crazy Ed's, by any chance?

If so, he uses an alignment bar, which very clearly showed the bend in my front housing. Similar situation to yours. Metal shavings during an oil change, went in for a re-gear, found that the housing was bent. But I went the pr44 route instead of paying to straighten, gusset, sleeve and re-gear it again. I don't wheel hard at all, and had 32" tires on it at the time!!

Hagausaf is another guy that went in there for gears, and found that both front and rear housings were bent. Don't recall if he was posting about it here or over on jk-f, but he verified both housings were indeed bent before paying the labor. I believe he said he was stock at the time, no lift and rubicon mt's.

I have seen over a dozen bent or shattered JK housings in the shops around here while stopping in to BS. Some were, justifiably, damaged while having fun in the rocks, but several were bone stock and damaged from potholes or curbs. It is not as unheard of as many people think.

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Guys i paid 500 for my regear and paid 400 for the gears...those companies charging 1400 or stuff like that just for a regear....i'd go elsewhere to begin with
It's all about location. Haven't found any places around me that are much lower than what the OP was quoted. Why is it lower in a few locations in Texas? No clue, that's just the way it is. And as I found out first hand from a low-cost install shop, a lot of these places are run on the you-get-what-you-pay-for concept. I'd rather pay more for a quality install, than pay less and have issues.
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If so, he uses an alignment bar, which very clearly showed the bend in my front housing.........

Hagausaf is another guy that went in there for gears, and found that both front and rear housings were bent. Don't recall if he was posting about it here or over on jk-f, but he verified both housings were indeed bent before paying the labor. I believe he said he was stock at the time, no lift and rubicon mt's
Lol, gents, I don't want to suggest you got hosed, but did anyone check the "alignment bar"? If front (or rear) housing tubes are bent you find out on an alignment rack, or at Dynatrac, etc., with some build jigs. This character's selling JK snake oil and tacking on $1,800 blue sky profit.
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