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HID vs LED auxilliary lighting

Hey jeepers. I'm curious what some of you have to say about HID vs LED lighting. From those of you who have experience with them, which beam pattern do you prefer for lighting the trail? Also, any other insight about size, housing, etc. would also be helpful.

I'm most interested in the Hella 4000i HID pencil beam right now.

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I have personally had both. The output from the HID is phenomenal, however, my lights would often go out if they got bounced around too much. The ballasts do not like to be jarred. I have not had the same experience with LED's. They seem to take whatever is thrown at them. It really just comes down to personal preference. I have a friend who is also going Rigid after his Hid-x lights went out on him last wheeling trip.

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Hey jeepers. I'm curious what some of you have to say about HID vs LED lighting. From those of you who have experience with them, which beam pattern do you prefer for lighting the trail? Also, any other insight about size, housing, etc. would also be helpful.

I'm most interested in the Hella 4000i HID pencil beam right now.

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A lot depends on what kind of trails you do... if you're talking full throttle baja stuff, then a few pencil+euro/driving beams HIDs with a flood are a nice cheap-ish way to go (if you don't go with the big names... Hidx, Eagle Eye, Rugged Ridge, etc). But for most guys, they don't need to see 1/4mi away but something a little closer to headlight range. Something more like a driving beam or flood is better now. The Rigid Dually or Specter bar lights are a nice option for this. LED has a huge advantage in strength and reliability, there's a video on youtube of a Rigid bar that was in a 117mph crash on a Baja car, and still works!

Pencil beam lights are basically spotlights. A nice bright round light but nothing much outside of it. Only good for straight ahead long distance stuff... typically not very useful on offroad trails as a result.
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I've run both. I liked the beam of the HidX lights, but I prefer the instant on of LEDs.

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Recently I've been swapping out my HIDs to LEDs for the pros of having instant on and the that they suck up way less battery.
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I have kragen hid's in 7" (about 3200 lumen each). Two of them light up the trail well. Beam pattern is wide but a little flat. Pattern of light is not as smooth as led. Would like to have 2 more. Also have dually d2's (2600 lumens each) wich put out a perfect pattern on light for trails, not really a long range light. For trail lights led are nicer. Road I like the hid's. Also some people have a hard time seeing with LEDs and hid's light spectrums. Best to ride in a rig with them for a while at night to see what you prefer.
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I got Rigid Dually's on my windshield. They are bright as fawk and can take punishment. I have HID headlights and they sometimes get bouncy and when, I went wheeling on the 3rd, one HID went out. I think for the money, LED is the way to go.

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x2 on riding with someone and see for yourself which you prefer. Personally I prefer LED's and went with Rigid 50" light bar, Dually D2's on the windshield, 20" light bar on the base of the stinger and two Dually D2's on the tire carrier in the rear, which are predominant for camping, etc.



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I would gladly trade or sell my HidX for LED's
Not that they arent good but the led are better and for about the same money.


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yea, those look hot Minx!
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I have personally had both. The output from the HID is phenomenal, however, my lights would often go out if they got bounced around too much. The ballasts do not like to be jarred. I have not had the same experience with LED's. They seem to take whatever is thrown at them.
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If you need to see way off into the distance then HIDs are hard to beat. For general trail lighting LEDs are great and you can get a light pattern that will suit just about any needs.

HIDs can flicker when subject to vibration and impact, and will not stand up to abuse like LEDs will. LEDs should last longer than the vehicle, are instantly on, and produce relatively little heat.

For the trail you'll find LEDs hard to beat, they usually are better at saturating a wide area than HIDs, and light bars have a great vertical spread lighting up everything in front of you. I run a single 20" LED light bar on my bumper and it really throws some light out in a very usable pattern for the trail. Combine their great light patterns with durability and LEDs are hard to beat on everything but price.


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I'm honestly surprised I don't see these discussed on here. I run them in my Big Rig nice white light. Only issue I've discovered is they don't get warm, so those of us in the midwest get snow and ice build up in the winter months. It's plug and play replacement for H4 headlights. I'll get a better pic of mine in my rig tonight. I'm also running the Rigid Dually's for load lights they are very bright.

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I have the TL LED's and love them.

The only issues I have with them at the moment is the pulse in the jeep system makes them flicker just a little bit, but not enough to worry about!

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I have the TL LED's and love them.

The only issues I have with them at the moment is the pulse in the jeep system makes them flicker just a little bit, but not enough to worry about!
What do you mean by pulse? Guess it's not something I'm familiar with. Is this something on the JK's? I didn't have any issues on my TJ
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I've got LED's. Wouldn't have it any different. On the trail at night I can see way more than the other guys can out wheeling. D2's in the driving beam work real good.


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Its hard to go wrong either way. I have a set of Hella Rallye 4000i Compacts and I LOVE them when I need light out at a distance. They throw a ridiculous amount of light. LED's are awesome as well. They're pretty damn bullet proof (check out rigid's video on how indestructible their LED's are), and they're bright. LED's for use as vehicle lighting is a newer technology and they're finally getting the reflectors perfected. The nice part about LED light bars like the Rigids is you can even get them in a dual beam pattern meaning that half of the LED reflectors in the light bar are spot and the others are flood. One disadvantages of an LED light bar though, is while they'll last a long time, if you do get a diode that burns out you can't really just replace it like you can on an HID or incandescent light. LED's as far as I'm aware are always on a circuit board so to replace them the whole circuit board would have to either be 'fixed' or replaced. I'm not 100% positive on that but thats mostly what i've seen. Its not as much of a problem on a light bar used for illumination on a vehicle because how often are you going to be looking at it when its on and thinking "damn that looks like shit, theres one diode out" lol. Tail/break lights are another story Eventually I'm going to add a 10" Rigid light bar to my Jeep so between those, my Delta quad bar head lights, and my Hella HID's I should have an insane amount of light

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I prefer the LED for some of the same reasons as mentioned above strength, watt use, durability, and look.

I have the Ridge Industry 50" duel LED. I also just installed the ORO Litespotz rock lights. I put a couple pictures up with both sets of lights on.

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What do you mean by pulse? Guess it's not something I'm familiar with. Is this something on the JK's? I didn't have any issues on my TJ
Again I just proved I cannot read!

I have the TL LED headlamps and there is evidently a pulse width modulation PWM system in a jk that causes them to pulsate just a little bit . I have never seen my rig driving towards me so not really sure how bad it is , but can see it on the backs of other cars.

Again I love the lights but for the price it should not do this!

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You tell me what you like better. First pic is headlights, second is three four inch HIDx, third is 50" Rigid sr and hidx together.


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You tell me what you like better. First pic is headlights, second is three four inch HIDx, third is 50" Rigid sr and hidx together.
Hard to compare ~450 worth of HID lights to a 1200 LED light bar. I like HIDx, but unless they're aimed perfectly, then they're only so so. There's also better HIDs out there - and the price tag to go with it.

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Hard to compare ~450 worth of HID lights to a 1200 LED light bar. I like HIDx, but unless they're aimed perfectly, then they're only so so. There's also better HIDs out there - and the price tag to go with it.
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Good discussion guys. I run two Lightforce 170s on the bumper for distance. They are awesome for distance and I can pick out a deer in the ditch at 1/4-1/2 mile, but they are a tight spot pattern and require some distance to get a good spread.
I also have 2 HDI LED spot beams on the windshield mounts for back roads, worklight, and trails. Even though they are classed as a spot beam they cast a wider, more even light that blows away the factory low and high beams for both width and distance.

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Here's my 7". TL LED's on my rig 2yrs OTR use no issues other than ice/snow build up in winter months.

First pic is low beams. 2nd is high.

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LED is amazing! i am thinking of the LED headlights vs. HID!

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