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post #1 of 41 Old 12-23-2011, 09:18 AM Thread Starter
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Poison spyder customs: Brawler vs Bfh?

Im in a debate with bumpers for my jeep and have narrowed it down to one company but i really dont know which line i want to run. I like all posion spyder products but i dont no if i want to run the bfh line of bumpers or the rock brawler line. Both have their pros and cons.

Brawler line:
Pros: Looks really good, all bolt on

Cons: Heavy, expensive

BFH line:
Pros: Light weight, not expensive, looks good

Cons: Requires cutting of frame rails, would have to run the spare in the back ( no biggy i dont run a rear seat anyway).

Ive ordered everything except my bumpers because im having a really hard time deciding what i want to run. Im sure some of you have been there done that. This will be going on a 2012 2 door sport i posted this on the other forum as well but i want to get the guys on jk owners opinions too.
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I run the BFH for the clearance factor. The Hammers are our backyard playground. No other bumper gives me the same stinger protection with that much clearance.

Just relocate your vacuum can and you are good to go. Yes, a PowerPlant fits with that bumper.

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I run the BFH for the clearance factor. The Hammers are our backyard playground. No other bumper gives me the same stinger protection with that much clearance.

Just relocate your vacuum can and you are good to go. Yes, a PowerPlant fits with that bumper.

Looks good rebel offroad i like the added clearance also. I will do the trail stinger if i go with the bfh line.
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I also run the BFH. The only downside was having to cut the end of the frame rails off. Just remember that may limit you if you decide you want another bumper. Just food for thought.

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I also run the BFH. The only downside was having to cut the end of the frame rails off. Just remember that may limit you if you decide you want another bumper. Just food for thought.
I actually really like your setup. What made you run the bfh in the front and the brawler out back? any regrets doing this?
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I actually really like your setup. What made you run the bfh in the front and the brawler out back? any regrets doing this?
I wanted the tire carrier/bumper combination for the rear, so I went with the Brawler back there.

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I wanted the tire carrier/bumper combination for the rear, so I went with the Brawler back there.
Did it cause any sag? I know the rear brawler is pretty heavy?
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Did it cause any sag? I know the rear brawler is pretty heavy?
Maybe a 1/4 inch max. The OME springs do really well in that area.

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I like the new warn better http://www.warn.com/truck/mounting-s...tj.shtml#_self
It has lift points for a high lift which is nice maintains the fogs and doesn't seem like it requires moving the pump.
or the new rugged ridge in aluminum stubby is light and I believe it is a little cheaper then the PSC.

Personally I would not chop the frame to add a bumper since so many other good options exist and once you do it your committed to that bumper, which you may change your mind on down the road.

I have the brawler lite with bar and I would not get it again it is a little heavy and I don't like the way the fogs mount. The expectation is you will force the stock screws into the steal which holds them in but wont be coming out easy. The way it is fabricated you can't get paint on all the surfaces on the inside of the bumper and will just rust out faster. The bottom inside bolts that are welded into the bumper for whatever reason don't tighten all the way they snug up but feel stripped out.
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I forgot to mention the other thing is they don't make the skid for a 2011 or newer PSC has been talking about it since the 2011's came out. Not sure if it will ever happen.

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I really like my Brawler bumper. I've put it into the rocks many times.



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I'm a BFH kinda guy, I run the comp stinger. When I was going back and forth between the trail and comp stinger, I figured if you are going to go bold and run a stinger...get the biggin' or go brawler.


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BFH front and rear ...throw on an Or-Fab tire swing.
^^^This FTW. Here's mine.





And the trail stinger BFH up front.

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I like the new warn better http://www.warn.com/truck/mounting-s...tj.shtml#_self
It has lift points for a high lift which is nice maintains the fogs and doesn't seem like it requires moving the pump.
or the new rugged ridge in aluminum stubby is light and I believe it is a little cheaper then the PSC.

Personally I would not chop the frame to add a bumper since so many other good options exist and once you do it your committed to that bumper, which you may change your mind on down the road.

I have the brawler lite with bar and I would not get it again it is a little heavy and I don't like the way the fogs mount. The expectation is you will force the stock screws into the steal which holds them in but wont be coming out easy. The way it is fabricated you can't get paint on all the surfaces on the inside of the bumper and will just rust out faster. The bottom inside bolts that are welded into the bumper for whatever reason don't tighten all the way they snug up but feel stripped out.
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I forgot to mention the other thing is they don't make the skid for a 2011 or newer PSC has been talking about it since the 2011's came out. Not sure if it will ever happen.
I like that warn bumper it looks nice but i know im going to end up with PSC products on my rig it just fits my style. Im sorry for thr problems you had with your brawler light ive never heard of alot of guys having problems with there products.
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[QUOTE=JK Timmay;1007456]I really like my Brawler bumper. I've put it into the rocks many times.

Thanks for sharing the photos man im digging the tube gussets.
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I love your setup merlin4979 it looks really good and i bet you saved alot of weight. I prefer the trail stinger myself.
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This is a random question but for those of you that are cutting your frame rails and running the bfh line are you done paying off your jeep?
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This is a random question but for those of you that are cutting your frame rails and running the bfh line are you done paying off your jeep?
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This is a random question but for those of you that are cutting your frame rails and running the bfh line are you done paying off your jeep?
Yes, but it would not have been a factor either way.

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This is a random question but for those of you that are cutting your frame rails and running the bfh line are you done paying off your jeep?
Yes. Would have done it anyways though.
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This is a random question but for those of you that are cutting your frame rails and running the bfh line are you done paying off your jeep?
Nope,but when I was involved in an accident I figured any potential resale went out the window anyway so I might as well.

I was torn between the BFH and the Brawler Lite as well. I've run into several situations while wheeling that the extra clearance from the BFH made a difference.

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Nope,but when I was involved in an accident I figured any potential resale went out the window anyway so I might as well.

I was torn between the BFH and the Brawler Lite as well. I've run into several situations while wheeling that the extra clearance from the BFH made a difference.
The main reason i like the bfh line is because of the weight savings. Even though im going to be running one of the heaviest wheel and tire combos out there i figured i could lightin up the rig some.
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I love your setup merlin4979 it looks really good and i bet you saved alot of weight. I prefer the trail stinger myself.
Thanks man. I went through a few other options before finally settling on this one.


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This is a random question but for those of you that are cutting your frame rails and running the bfh line are you done paying off your jeep?
That's a negative, ghost rider.


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The main reason i like the bfh line is because of the weight savings. Even though im going to be running one of the heaviest wheel and tire combos out there i figured i could lightin up the rig some.
I hear you. I'm running Toyo's on mine, but still get 17 mpg.
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With the rear bfh would it be ok if I cut out the rear cross member completely and bolted the bumper up? Or would this be a bad idea? What's the rear cross member used for anyway? The reason I ask is because I just read a article in a magizine where they installed a rear bfh on a silver 4 door and left the crossmember out completely. Could someone shoot me some advice...
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Brawlers front and rear here, quite happy with them!

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