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Broken 30 again...

Hey guys, I broke my d30 again (2 times now and I've been taking it easy since the first time). Short side shafts ears around u-joint let go. again... I wasn't even doing anything difficult. Sorry for no pics, buddy has them on his camera but he's currently hugging porcelain. When he feels better we'll download them.

My goal is to see if anyone knows how to make a junk yard axle work in the front. If I were to replace the axle with another I am not interested in a 44 or similar. Ideally, I'd run a dually axle so I could run H1 beadlocks without modification (I). But the issue is how do I get it to work with the JK electronics? I cannot afford an aftermarket axle that would solve this issue, but I'd rather run a balljoint 60 from 2001 or similar. I cannot afford custom parts like custom tone rings or whatever. What is the cheapest way to get a dually axle under the JK and which one would work? Mount modification is certainly doable, but the electronics is the trick.

Or, is the answer to just stop wheeling the JK all together? Again, I cannot afford to keep replacing my d30 shafts.

My '07 JKU has leveling pucks in the front, 315s, and that's it. Otherwise it's bone stock. How can I get cheap beef under the front that works with the system?
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Just for clarification, you're just talking about the front axle from a dually, right?


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Just for clarification, you're just talking about the front axle from a dually, right?
I'd upgrade both axles using spacers for equaling out the track width, but the question centers around how do I get them to work electronically with the JK's equipment?

Unfortunately, the 30 may be bent also.
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I'm confused. You're gonna run a dually axle in the rear of a JK? Please, tell me no...


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Agreed.

In the front, running a DRW front 60 (or AAM or whatever) with stock centered H1 double beadlocks equals standard fullsize rig width, which is a few inches wider than a JK and OK in my book. The wheels have 7" backspacing which negates the extra axle width over SRW.

If you run the stock H1 wheels on a SRW front axle you will need to hack the tie rod end mounting location off the knuckle and get custom steering arms depending on your steering setup. I have an old d44 with custom Wagoner Machine steering arms intended for just this purpose.

Chances are, the DRW rear axle is narrower than the DRW front, thus needing a spacer to even out the WMS.

Here's some good tech for you if you haven't seen it already.

http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/60_front/

I'd be happy installing either of the kingpin SRW front 60s I have on the ground but one's from a Chevy CUCV and the other's out of a Dodge 3/4 ton. I'd also be happy installing the CUCV 14b with Detroit or either of the 60 or the 80 rears I have on the ground, but they have no electronic ability at all in stock form.

Now, back to the topic- is there any way to get a junk yard AAM or 60 to play nicely with the JK electronics without a bunch of custom parts? Balljoints are fine.

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I read where Ian at Extreme posted that he heard some guys have swapped axles with either larger or smaller tone rings into their rigs with no mods other than bracketry (and DS, which should be done on a lifted JK anyway). Anyone have any more info here? I really want this to be my long term wheeler but I will never be able to afford 4-10k on aftermarket axles. Thanks for your patience.
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02 Super Duty. Front 60 and rear Sterling. Have Tone Rings......search, its been done a few times here on JKO.

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So nevermind the 60's for the moment. Do/have you been tacking the ujoint caps in on your D30?

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While we're here, what exactly is different about the 44 and the 30?

I've broken my 44 U's twice. U's just break, that's how it goes. RCV's are SO much stronger. U's bind which usually leads to their demise.
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So nevermind the 60's for the moment. Do/have you been tacking the ujoint caps in on your D30?
I'd guess not. Full clip UJ's, RCV's, or tack welding the caps would have very possibly prevented this damage.

Gusseting the c's, sleeving and/or trussing the tubes, and aftermarket shafts (or tack welding the caps), can make a D30 pretty reliable, obviously depending on driving style, and is likely cheaper than any 60 you'll put in.

That said you don't get the strength of a D60. Didn't River raider put in a '86 Ford kingpin in a JK? I don't believe the Dodge tone ring setup will work with a JK. An early Ford (78-79) looks like it should be a good fit. May be get the unit bearings for a 60 from someone like Currie?

There was some talk of running all 4 sensors off of one, not sure if anyone ever tried this, but it may work.
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U's bind which usually leads to their demise.
Yes they do and RCV's pretty much resolve this issue. However, one of the most common cause of failure with stock shafts is the caps rotating, spitting out the c-clips, then the caps walking out, and hitting the ball joint stud. This can be prevented by simply tack welding the caps in place.
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So nevermind the 60's for the moment. Do/have you been tacking the ujoint caps in on your D30?

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Thanks for the replys guys. I have heard of doing this, but have not tacked the caps. I will research it and see what comes of it.

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you don't get the strength of a D60.
Thanks for the informative posts PhilD. You have given tons of info on this and I appreciate it.

This is where I'm leaning. I mean you can polish a turd, but it's still a turd. How many times am I going to replace the axles before I just do the darn upgrade... I see no point in putting money where I don't want it to go IF there is a cost effective alternative.

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I don't believe the Dodge tone ring setup will work with a JK.
WHY NOT!!! This is the whole cruxt of the issue right here. I'd rather not use a Sterling.

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An early Ford (78-79) looks like it should be a good fit. May be get the unit bearings for a 60 from someone like Currie?
See, here we go getting into more money. My goal was to plug and play a set of AAM (preferred) axles or Dana balljoint axles from around 2001 from a Dodge dually. I could get those relatively cheap and not be out much more than the d30 shafts. Then, mount them up and good to go. Any more thoughts on this?

If I spent money outside this it would be on something like the Spyntech lockouts, but don't have that money up front. I wonder if they could do their lockouts for the '00 Dodge dually, but with the JK tone/electronics setup... Hmmmm...
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WHY NOT!!!
Just what I've been told, but I admit I don't have any first knowledge so can't say 100%. be nice if it were that easy though
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Any tone ring axles will work, BUT front and rear must be matching that is the trick. Must have same number of teeth front and rear. Only thing you will have to do is make adjustments with procal to dial in your speedo.


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Any tone ring axles will work, BUT front and rear must be matching that is the trick. Must have same number of teeth front and rear. Only thing you will have to do is make adjustments with procal to dial in your speedo.


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This.

See, this is what I was thinking. As long as the Dodge sensor will plug into the JK harness it "should" work. Even then, if it won't plug in , but the sensor has the same number of wires- splice that junk. Even then, if there's only one tone ring per axle, run a wire to the other side and run the two sensors off one tone ring. That would kill the BAS though and possibly make the ABS act funny.

I'm going to research Procal. I have no idea what it is at this point.
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That procal is cheaper than I thought. Sounds like a good deal.
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