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Look at my pics. would a drag link flip benefit me

Put RK 3.5 springs in the front with a teraflex 1 inch spacer minus the factory insulator. it was just under 3/4 thick.So lets say about a 4 inch lift

If I do A drag link flip do I raise the track bar up in to the top hole of the jks axle brace also

41 inches in this pic with stock wheels and tires at bottom of fender

Also if you notice anything that might look like it would be a problem let me know. like the disconnects are close to the springs









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Dont know the JKS brace, but it does look like its designed for two positions in your pic. If you do move it up you will need a second bolt, one for the track bar and one to go through the original hole/ original mount for added strength (will also need a bush to replace the trackbar so the mount doesnt crush).

Short answer is yes, if you flip the drag link you will need to lift the track bar to keep them close to parallel otherwise you will have very strange handling (bump steer in the front as the track bar and drag link are on different angles)

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Are you having specific issues related to your other trackbar thread or just inquiring?

A level picture from tire to tire (so we could see the complete picture) of the trackbar and draglink would help. The one looking from drivers side looks ok to me?
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Are you having specific issues related to your other trackbar thread or just inquiring?

A level picture from tire to tire (so we could see the complete picture) of the trackbar and draglink would help. The one looking from drivers side looks ok to me?
just inquiring. Not related to other thread

Will get full pic tomorrow

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Dont know the JKS brace, but it does look like its designed for two positions in your pic. If you do move it up you will need a second bolt, one for the track bar and one to go through the original hole/ original mount for added strength (will also need a bush to replace the trackbar so the mount doesnt crush).

Short answer is yes, if you flip the drag link you will need to lift the track bar to keep them close to parallel otherwise you will have very strange handling (bump steer in the front as the track bar and drag link are on different angles)
The jks brace did come with extra bolt and bushing. Just have to locate it.Its been a few years since i seen it

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your track bar should have the adjustable side on the axle not the frame.









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also, your JKS sway bar links look like they need to be extended. your sway bar should be within +5 degrees parallel to the ground. it seems like mine are way longer then yours and I only have about 2-3" of lift.


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also, your JKS sway bar links look like they need to be extended. your sway bar should be within +5 degrees parallel to the ground. it seems like mine are way longer then yours and I only have about 2-3" of lift.
My track bar has both ends that are adjustable(Rock krawler)

Good eyes. Thats why I'm asking, forgot about making sway bar links longer. still set from other springs

What steering stabilizer do you have?

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My track bar has both ends that are adjustable(Rock krawler)

Good eyes. Thats why I'm asking, forgot about making sway bar links longer. still set from other springs

What steering stabilizer do you have?
fox steering stabalizer. don't waste your money on it. stock one works just fine.

why did you switch to rock krawler coils? I love my old man emu hd coils...



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fox steering stabalizer. don't waste your money on it. stock one works just fine.

why did you switch to rock krawler coils? I love my old man emu hd coils...

The ome coils were bowing and sagging badly.

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i have a non-topic question for you. Why does it look like you drove thru gallons of oil and it flew up on your frame and inner fenders?

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i have a non-topic question for you. Why does it look like you drove thru gallons of oil and it flew up on your frame and inner fenders?
did you think i really off road? no baby, this thing is all for looks


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did you think i really off road? no baby, this thing is all for looks
not you silly, the orginal poster, looks like he drives thru oil puddles.

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not you silly, the orginal poster, looks like he drives thru oil puddles.
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not you silly, the orginal poster, looks like he drives thru oil puddles.
I wish I could find oil puddles to drive threw. Then I wouldn't have to spray it on. keeps it from rusting

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I would move the track bar to the top hole in your axle bracket, then weld the bracket to the axle (if you haven't already), and get the RK Ultimate Steering Package wich includes the drag link flip.
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Well I did the drag link flip with th RK bushing


here is the track bar relocated in the upper hole in the JKS bracket



And a a crappy pic of the new angles

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Question: What problem are you trying to solve by flipping your drag link? Do you currently have bump steer? I'm of the opinion that if your rig is handling well then don't change the geometry.

I was running fine with the stock tie rod and drag link until, even after bending/adjusting them a few times. I decided to go heavy duty and got beefed-up drag link and tie rod (doesn't matter what brand). Even though I was having no ride issues I decided to flip the drag link because it seemed that would make it more parallel to the track bar, and also gain some clearance.

BIG MISTAKE!

First ride out I had death wobble. Being the stubborn bastard I am, instead of returning to the stock geometry I kept upgrading other components until I finally fixed the death wobble. First I went through all the threads. Then I replaced ball joints, tie rod ends, new trackbar, replaced the springs and shocks (which were sagging and needed replacing anyway), adjustable control arms to set my castor. Ultimately put long-arm radius setup on the front and a second steering stabilizer and it finally went away, about $1,500 later in parts and alignments.

I'm all for beefing-up weak parts of your rig. But don't make needless changes to the geometry. My understanding is that bump steer is an indication that you might benefit from a flip drag link. If this isn't a problem, I'd stick to the stock geometry for now. You can always change your mind and flip it later.

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Question: What problem are you trying to solve by flipping your drag link? Do you currently have bump steer? I'm of the opinion that if your rig is handling well then don't change the geometry.

I was running fine with the stock tie rod and drag link until, even after bending/adjusting them a few times. I decided to go heavy duty and got beefed-up drag link and tie rod (doesn't matter what brand). Even though I was having no ride issues I decided to flip the drag link because it seemed that would make it more parallel to the track bar, and also gain some clearance.

BIG MISTAKE!

First ride out I had death wobble. Being the stubborn bastard I am, instead of returning to the stock geometry I kept upgrading other components until I finally fixed the death wobble. First I went through all the threads. Then I replaced ball joints, tie rod ends, new trackbar, replaced the springs and shocks (which were sagging and needed replacing anyway), adjustable control arms to set my castor. Ultimately put long-arm radius setup on the front and a second steering stabilizer and it finally went away, about $1,500 later in parts and alignments.

I'm all for beefing-up weak parts of your rig. But don't make needless changes to the geometry. My understanding is that bump steer is an indication that you might benefit from a flip drag link. If this isn't a problem, I'd stick to the stock geometry for now. You can always change your mind and flip it later.

Just my two cents.
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yes. did have some bump steer and major death wobble at times.Wanted to see if the flip helped or not

I can feel a difference (as in better) in doing the flip when hitting bumps or pot holes.

Changing to the RK track bar and Polly bracket also made a difference in the way it feels to the better.Did this first

I need to drive it more to see if the death wobble is gone. sometimes it would not do it for weeks at a time. then some times it would do it often

but the last time i drove it it did feel allot better overall after doing the up grades

Im waiting on my RK shocks then i can drive it more

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