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Long Arm - if money wasn't the issue?

Long Arm - if money wasn't the issue, would you have went straight to the long arm kit?

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Money was still the issue with me and I still went longarm. Took me a year of ownership and saving to lift my Jeep. Don't rush the project, do it the way you want the first time. However, Polyperformance makes a beautiful builder kit. Plus... stages usually are a budgets best friend.


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I think it's good to grow up with you jeep through kits, and get familiar with how different applications work ad what you like
Only problem is that's $$ but there's a decent used jeep part market to recoup some of your$$
I started out with spacers and 33s
Now how aev 3.5 with most adj control arms 37's
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I have run coil spacers for two years now. Going straight to a long arm when I get to a point to do it all. Costs too much to build a suspension a few times, do it once.


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I just put on the arms I needed and then sprung for the long arm upgrade when I was ready. If you get the basic 3.5" kit from RK then add the Long Arm Upgrade down the road it would be a great way to do it.

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I heard the long arm kit on a 4 door doesnt gain you much due to limitations of the uppers and the gas tank interfering. Is that true?

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I heard the long arm kit on a 4 door doesnt gain you much due to limitations of the uppers and the gas tank interfering. Is that true?
I haven't seen any issues with the Teraflex LA hitting the tank on the 2 Unlimiteds I've seen running it. The Rock Krawler LA has a single rear upper in the middle of the Jeep, so no issues there.

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I heard the long arm kit on a 4 door doesnt gain you much due to limitations of the uppers and the gas tank interfering. Is that true?
Someone is feeding you bad info
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I heard the long arm kit on a 4 door doesnt gain you much due to limitations of the uppers and the gas tank interfering. Is that true?
It's not an issue at all.

I'd go logarm from the getgo if thyself what you eventually plan on ending up at. I went through 3 kits before I finished with a Rubicon Express LA on my TJ. Spent way to much money. On my JK I started with a Teraflex leveling kit and 3 months later went to a 3" Teraflex LA system. Now if I plan to go bigger, all I need is springs/shocks or coilovers. The hard part is done.


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We went Polly, cut off the stock mounts and never looked back. Love how it handles on and off road, 5.5 in got mad flex fot a 2 dr.


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Since you said "if money isn't an issue". I would say go for the RK 5.5" X-Factor long arm with 3.5" springs. This way you'll get the great ride and flex of a 3 link front and rear as well as the high steer setup.

Plus if you go long arm you will not have that "What If" feeling later!

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If you feel you want to go long arm, then take your time, save your money and go for it. It is already a question in your mind, then if you settled for anything less, you will probably regret it. Seriously, there is no rush when it comes to building your rig the way you want to!

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If money was no issue then long arm with coil overs.
If money is a slight issue, Currie arms (stock location) with coil overs would work just as good.
In my case, Currie arms with 37s and Fox shocks works just fine. I can go anywhere a long arm kit can go.


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whats cheaper: doing something once or twice?
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whats cheaper: doing something once or twice?
Exactly... I learned that the hard way.

If money wasnt an issue, i would have a rock krawler long arm lift with king coil overs. Money is always in issue, but.....so what...

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Lets see money is an issue for me. Made sure i paid the jeep off first before i did anything to the suspension. Now it sits on the lift and because i suck at welding somone else is welding in the RK 3.5 x factor with coil overs. Lets just say you can get rid of 10k real quick with lift, tires, wheels, and gears.

Now if i only had another 25k i would throw 60's on and try and get a hemi in it.

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I can go anywhere a long arm kit can go.
I think this is really the point. JK arms aren't TJ arms, they're plenty long to begin with and mounted in a much better configuration. At this point I have yet to be convinced a LA suspension is necessary on a JK. But, prove me wrong, that's fine with me.
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It's not about where a short or long arm JK can go. It's about suspension geometry and maintaining that geometry throughout the full cycle of the suspension. The long arms ride better, and regardless how much longer the jk arms are compared to the TJ, the JK long arms are longer than the long arms I had on my TJ, and the JK sits higher stock anyhow.


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Yes, I know, but the stock JK arms are almost as long as some TJ long arms and the suspension cycle is nearly the same. Stock JK front lower arms are nearly horizontal, so the angle increase at a nominal 4" lift is pretty tame, as opposed to TJs where even at 3" it gets extreme. I don't doubt a properly set up JK LA setup will have a great ride, just not finding much to complain about with the short arm setup I'm currently running, either from a flex or ride standpoint. With the limiting factor being shock travel, a Tera 4" short arm is going to extend/compress the same as a 4" LCG with the same shock. Seems to me the need kicks in at 5"+ on a JK.

FWIW, my previous rig was an RE 4.5" SUA YJ with Dynatrac D44/D60s and an Atlas II on 36" IROKS. A few little trick things with extended shock mounts and a TF Belly Up. It just worked. During past EJSs I used to wonder why with all their flex some TJ LAs were lifting wheels and struggling to get over stuff my crude little SUA YJ crawled right over. Axle control is the key.
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If you go long arm, I would stay away from the kits where the rear arms are mounted on outside the frame. This puts limitations on what tires and wheels you can run since the arms are sitting much closer to the tire. I have the RE longarm and have not liked that setup from the start. I think there are only a few kits designed like this though.

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The new Poly LA setup looks pretty sweet, must say.
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Yes, I know, but the stock JK arms are almost as long as some TJ long arms and the suspension cycle is nearly the same. Stock JK front lower arms are nearly horizontal, so the angle increase at a nominal 4" lift is pretty tame, as opposed to TJs where even at 3" it gets extreme. I don't doubt a properly set up JK LA setup will have a great ride, just not finding much to complain about with the short arm setup I'm currently running, either from a flex or ride standpoint. With the limiting factor being shock travel, a Tera 4" short arm is going to extend/compress the same as a 4" LCG with the same shock. Seems to me the need kicks in at 5"+ on a JK.

FWIW, my previous rig was an RE 4.5" SUA YJ with Dynatrac D44/D60s and an Atlas II on 36" IROKS. A few little trick things with extended shock mounts and a TF Belly Up. It just worked. During past EJSs I used to wonder why with all their flex some TJ LAs were lifting wheels and struggling to get over stuff my crude little SUA YJ crawled right over. Axle control is the key.
One reason for upgrading to long arm is weak frame side countrol arm mounts. If you are hard on them you will rip them off. The control arm mount sits in a very bad spot and they are weak.


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If you go long arm, I would stay away from the kits where the rear arms are mounted on outside the frame. This puts limitations on what tires and wheels you can run since the arms are sitting much closer to the tire. I have the RE longarm and have not liked that setup from the start. I think there are only a few kits designed like this though.
What tires and wheels have you not been able to run? Alot of the LA kits mount this way. The RE LA kit works great.

If you feel you need a LA kit save the $$$ and get what you want.


Just because its one of my fav pictures here you go RE LA

And as you can see there is plenty room between the arms and the rear tires

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What tires and wheels have you not been able to run? Alot of the LA kits mount this way. The RE LA kit works great.

If you feel you need a LA kit save the $$$ and get what you want.


Just because its one of my fav pictures here you go RE LA

And as you can see there is plenty room between the arms and the rear tires

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