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post #1 of 23 Old 01-04-2011, 10:00 PM Thread Starter
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Question Winch anchor advice...

I am in the process of designing/building a winch anchor. Why you ask? I live in a desert so we have sand and sagebrush. We also play in the mountains and the beach...I am also bored and looking for a project. If it works well, perhaps a future product or instructions on how to build your own.

The Pullpal seems to have a following...including the military. I have not seen one in action other than videos/ photos on the internet. It appears that it would be difficult to get set unless the soil was "soft" assuming you do not have a winch remote or another set of hands...It also is expensive, IMHO.

The ARB and Smiittybilt anchors do not appear to be effective. I think Expeditionportal (?) did a comparison and these did not perform well compared to the Pullpal.

Other designs are the pickets (rebar, angle iron, etc.), augers, boat anchors, and sand ladders.

My criteria is:

1. Effective in sand, dirt (hard packed, loose), and mud.
2. Easy to setup/ assemble...does not have to be a quick.
3. Compact to store, otherwise it gets left at home.
4. Single person operation without winch remote.
5. Inexpensive to make.

If you have time please provide any input (personal experience, homemades, your criteria, would you carry one? , etc.).

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Carry a shovel. Dig a hole about 5 feet deep big enough for your spare tire. Wrap winch cable through spare tire and burry. Walla, instant anchor! Same works in rocks, wrap cable through tire and wedge between rocks.

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Carry a shovel. Dig a hole about 5 feet deep big enough for your spare tire. Wrap winch cable through spare tire and burry. Walla, instant anchor! Same works in rocks, wrap cable through tire and wedge between rocks.
My Koi pond is 4' deep and I dug it by hand....digging a 5' hole for a tire seems a bit ridiculous, but it definitely would work I guess. I have used my spare as a wheel chock to help prevent rolling through the brakes before. But I've also never gotten stuck in sand either which is funny considering I live in Florida.. Then again Florida sand is nothing compared to California Dunes.


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My buddy has a PullPal and we used once.
Worked perfect. Dug right in the hard packed ground...
With the winch pulling 5000lbs on it makes it dig right through, but yes, you do need 2 pairs of hands.
My guess is in sand, you can "start" it and just winch yourself...
I think the pulling force would be enough to make it dig in sand without having to hold/force it manually...
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My Koi pond is 4' deep and I dug it by hand....digging a 5' hole for a tire seems a bit ridiculous, but it definitely would work I guess. I have used my spare as a wheel chock to help prevent rolling through the brakes before. But I've also never gotten stuck in sand either which is funny considering I live in Florida.. Then again Florida sand is nothing compared to California Dunes.
Never said it wasnt ridiculous or time consuming/back breaking......but it does work. In a pinch when your all alone and with no other options, start digging!

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Never said it wasnt ridiculous or time consuming/back breaking......but it does work. In a pinch when your all alone and with no other options, start digging!
But that's what he's trying to avoid by creating a tool... the topic of this thread

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60" Hi-lift jack turned upside down and driven into the ground works also.

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But that's what he's trying to avoid by creating a tool... the topic of this thread
He asked for homemade solutions as well.......


And if you think about it. Most people already have a spare, a shovel is much smaller and easier to carry than a pull-pal like tool. Its not a "quick" solution, but it does work.

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60" Hi-lift jack turned upside down and driven into the ground works also.
I have heard of this, i am sure it works, but I still keep getting horrible mental images of the top of that jack snapping off......

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Keep the ideas or advice coming

With regard to burying the tire...I hope most people have heard of this method recovery in a pinch. Older army field manuals describe digging a hole, placing a tarp, refill the hole, and attach the four corners of the tarp to the winch...also burying logs...etc.

My goal is to build a tool, that may make recovery easier given an area that is void of natural anchors, too far away to use, etc...certainly burying an object in the ground is a consideration, only the means to do it could provide some entertainment

Keep the ideas or advice coming...
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I work with a guy who wanted to do something like this but never got around to it ...

His idea was like a supersized dog lead type thing. Basically a big corkscrew with an eye at the top to hook into. Not sure how well this would work in packed dirt though. And not very compact.

Maybe THATS why he never made it ...

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Here is someone's idea for a sled dog anchor...works on the same principal as the Pullpal only does not have a "shovel"...it does have two vertical legs that engage the ice-snow/soil... which would be more "hands-free" for a winch anchor without a remote.


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Here is someone's idea for a sled dog anchor...works on the same principal as the Pullpal only does not have a "shovel"...it does have two vertical legs that engage the ice-snow/soil... which would be more "hands-free" for a winch anchor without a remote.


that would work on the same principle as a boat anchor


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Carry a shovel. Dig a hole about 5 feet deep big enough for your spare tire. Wrap winch cable through spare tire and burry. Walla, instant anchor! Same works in rocks, wrap cable through tire and wedge between rocks.
I would think all the time and energy to dig hole for tire, winch self out, then did tire back out you could just dig the jeep out

As good as the pullpal is I do think its WAY over priced. I am interested to see what you come up with though but you should really never wheel alone.


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just found the earth anchor from northern tools
dunno how well it works, but it looks like something you could get started then go back to the winch
and at $50 its a hellova lot cheaper than a pullpal
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Not knocking the concept or the previous post...however my dumb-ass would probably drive the jeep in the hole I just got done getting the tire out of....

dig...bury..recover...repeat
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Here are some shed anchor systems...



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4-5 3' long pieces of rebar and a 6' chain with holes big enough to pass the rebar through the links. Hammer the rebar at a 30*ish angle away from your direction of pull THROUGH the chain every foot or so.

Attach winch and pull.
you can set it up in a line or a V depending on soil conditions.

You could even make it out of plate steel


ground anchors are not that complicated, its just a "plow" made to dig itself deeper as it is pulled. Traditional sea anchor designs work as well.
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I'm looking for ground anchor ideas for winter frozen ground conditions. Not always trees to anchor on. And this one road I jeep on has a side angle that wants to put you off the side. I like the idea with the re-bar and a chain big enough to secure with pounding the re-bar into the ground. Thank you for welcoming me to this forum.
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I'm looking for ground anchor ideas for winter frozen ground conditions. Not always trees to anchor on. And this one road I jeep on has a side angle that wants to put you off the side. I like the idea with the re-bar and a chain big enough to secure with pounding the re-bar into the ground. Thank you for welcoming me to this forum.


I read this ( almost 8 yr old thread!) & I envisioned the frozen ground where OP wants to use this & had a small idea.
Nothing like the typical brilliance that was @usmcdoc14 , but wonder if it'd help .


You could ground one end of rebar down then could store it with band-straps to or near the exhaust pipe or someplace hot.
then when u require it in frozen conditions it could be made to better melt the ground as you pounded anchored it to winch from.
You'd have to have some offroading oven-mits (welder gloves) , heh.


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I'm looking for ground anchor ideas for winter frozen ground conditions. Not always trees to anchor on. And this one road I jeep on has a side angle that wants to put you off the side. I like the idea with the re-bar and a chain big enough to secure with pounding the re-bar into the ground. Thank you for welcoming me to this forum.
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I read this ( almost 8 yr old thread!) & I envisioned the frozen ground where OP wants to use this & had a small idea.
Nothing like the typical brilliance that was @usmcdoc14 , but wonder if it'd help .


You could ground one end of rebar down then could store it with band-straps to or near the exhaust pipe or someplace hot.
then when u require it in frozen conditions it could be made to better melt the ground as you pounded anchored it to winch from.
You'd have to have some offroading oven-mits (welder gloves) , heh.
I just had a random idea (I know, what are the odds? )

Make an anchor plate, maybe 3/8" thick, > 8" x 8" with a >5/8" D-ring welded in the center

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and 8 or more 1/2" holes drilled around the perimeter.

Carry that^ contraption + cordless impact + a dozen of these:

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. . . and BOOM frozen ground winch anchor that only takes a few minutes to set up, tear down, or move.

If that idea sucks, - hey, it was free
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I just had a random idea (I know, what are the odds? )

Make an anchor plate, maybe 3/8" thick, > 8" x 8" with a >5/8" D-ring welded in the center

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and 8 or more 1/2" holes drilled around the perimeter.

Carry that^ contraption + cordless impact + a dozen of these:

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. . . and BOOM frozen ground winch anchor that only takes a few minutes to set up, tear down, or move.

If that idea sucks, - hey, it was free





I think that's a cool idea , too!

my next thoughts after reading @ExWrench s reply & ( good) idea was stepping into " The Red Green Show " territory , involving a rose ended torch & tanks of oxyacetylene mounted on winch plate so I think I'm gonna keep it to myself,



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