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post #26 of 175 Old 04-19-2019, 07:49 PM Thread Starter
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Getting.... geared up?? ... for this job?

... get it?


I cant find torque specs anywhere for the 4.56 gears I bought? Theres a lot of lit saying 4.10 gears are 15-30 inch pounds, (front) is it the same for any size set of gears? TORQUE SPECS FOUND ILL ADD THEM FOR YOU HERE

FRONT SUSPENSION* * *
DESCRIPTION * * * * * *Nm* * * * * Ft.Lbs.* * * * * * * * * *In. Lbs.* * *
Shock Absorber Upper Nut* * * * * *27* * * * * *20* * * * * ** * *
Shock Absorber Lower Nut* * * * * *76* * * * * *56* * * * * ** * *
Suspension Arm Lower Axle Bracket Nut* * * * * *169* * * * * *125* * * * * ** * *
Suspension Arm Lower Frame Bracket Nut* * * * * *169* * * * * *125* * * * * ** * *
Suspension Arm Upper Axle Bracket Nut/Bolt* * * * * *102* * * * * *75* * * * * ** * *
Suspension Arm Upper Frame Bracket Bolt* * * * * *102* * * * * *75* * * * * ** * *
Stabilizer Bar Retainer Bolts* * * * * *61* * * * * *45* * * * * ** * *
Stabilizer Bar Link Upper Nut* * * * * *102* * * * * *75* * * * * ** * *
Stabilizer Bar Link Lower Bolt* * * * * *102* * * * * *75* * * * * ** * *
Track Bar Frame Bracket Nut* * * * * *169* * * * * *125* * * * * ** * *
Track Bar Axle Bracket Bolt* * * * * *169* * * * * *125* * * * * ** * *
Hub/Bearing Bolts* * * * * *102* * * * * *75* * * * * ** * *
Hub/Bearing Axle Nut* * * * * *136* * * * * *100* * * * * ** * *
Jounce Cup Bolt* * * * * *42* * * * * *31* * * * * ** * *
Drag link to Knuckle (Right Side)* * * * * *74* * * * * *55* * * * * ** * *
Drag link to Knuckle* * * * * *74* * * * * *55* * * * * ** * *
Axle Shaft Nut* * * * * *136* * * * * *100* * * * * ** * *
Wheel speed sensor* * * * * *4-6* * * * * ** * * * * *34-50* * *

REAR SUSPENSION* * *
DESCRIPTION* * * * * *Nm* * * * * Ft.Lbs.* * * * * * * * * *In. Lbs.* * *
Shock Absorber Upper Bolts* * * * * *50* * * * * *37* * * * * ** * *
Shock Absorber Lower Nut* * * * * *76* * * * * *56* * * * * ** * *
Suspension Arm Lower Axle Bracket Nut* * * * * *169* * * * * *125* * * * * ** * *
Suspension Arm Lower Frame Bracket Bolt* * * * * *169* * * * * *125* * * * * ** * *
Suspension Arm Upper Axle Bracket Bolt* * * * * *169* * * * * *125* * * * * ** * *
Suspension Arm Upper Frame Bracket Bolt* * * * * *169* * * * * *125* * * * * ** * *
Stabilizer Bar Retainer Bolts* * * * * *61* * * * * *45* * * * * ** * *
Stabilizer Bar Link Nut/Bolt* * * * * *102* * * * * *75* * * * * ** * *
Stabilizer Bar to Link Nut* * * * * *90* * * * * *66* * * * * ** * *
Track Bar Frame Bracket Nut* * * * * *169* * * * * *125* * * * * ** * *
Track Bar Axle Bracket Bolt* * * * * *169* * * * * *125* * * * * ** * *

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DESCRIPTION* * * * * *Nm* * * * * Ft.Lbs.* * * * * * * * * *In. Lbs.* * *
Front Shaft - Axle Flange Bolts* * * * * *110* * * * * *81* * * * * *-* * *
Front Shaft - Transfer Case Flange Bolts* * * * * *20* * * * * *15* * * * * *-* * *
Rear Shaft - Axle Flange Bolts* * * * * *20* * * * * *15* * * * * *-* * *
Rear Shaft - Transfer Case Flange Bolts* * * * * *20* * * * * *15* * * * * *-* * *

FRONT AXLE - 186FBI* * *
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Axle Ratio* * * 3.21, 4.10* * *
Ring Gear Backlash* * * 0.12 - 0.20 mm (0.005 - 0.008 in.)* * *
Pinion Torque To Rotate - Original Bearings* * * 1.13 - 2.26 Nm (10 - 20 in. lbs.)* * *
Pinion Torque To Rotate - New Bearings* * * 2 - 3.4 Nm (15 - 30 in. lbs.)* * *
Differential Total Torque To Rotate: Pinion Torque To Rotate Plus* * * 0.79 - 1.24 Nm (7 - 11 in. lbs.)* * *

DESCRIPTION* * * * * *Nm* * * * * Ft.Lbs.* * * * * * * * * *In. Lbs.* * *
Fill Hole Plug* * * * * *34* * * * * *25* * * * * *-* * *
Differential Cover Bolts* * * * * *41* * * * * *30* * * * * *-* * *
Bearing Cap Bolts* * * * * *61* * * * * *45* * * * * *-* * *
Ring Gear Bolts* * * * * *108* * * * * *80* * * * * *-* * *
Pinion Bearing Nut Min - Max* * * * * *217 - 542* * * * * *160 - 400* * * * * *-* * *
Axle Nut* * * * * *136* * * * * *100* * * * * *-* * *
Hub Bearing Bolts* * * * * *102* * * * * *75* * * * * *-* * *

FRONT AXLE - 216FBI* * *
DESCRIPTION * * * SPECIFICATION * * *
Axle Ratio* * * 4.1* * *
Ring Gear Backlash* * * 0.12 - 0.20 mm (0.005 - 0.008 in.)* * *
Pinion Torque To Rotate - Original Bearing* * * 1 - 2 Nm (10 - 20 in. lbs.)* * *
Pinion Torque To Rotate - New Bearing* * * 2 - 4.5 Nm (20 - 40 in. lbs.)* * *
Total Torque To Rotate: Pinion Torque To Rotate plus* * * 0.79 - 1.24 Nm (7 - 11 in lbs)* * *

DESCRIPTION* * * * * *Nm* * * * * Ft.Lbs.* * * * * * * * * *In. Lbs.* * *
Fill Plug* * * * * *34* * * * * *25* * * * * *-* * *
Differential Cover Bolts* * * * * *41* * * * * *30* * * * * *-* * *
Bearing Cap Bolts* * * * * *108* * * * * *80* * * * * *-* * *
Pinion Nut* * * * * *217-271* * * * * *160-200* * * * * *-* * *
Ring Gear Bolts* * * * * *136* * * * * *100* * * * * *-* * *
Axle Nut* * * * * *136* * * * * *100* * * * * *-* * *
Hub Bearing Bolts* * * * * *102* * * * * *75* * * * * *-* * *

REAR AXLE - 198RBI* * *
DESCRIPTION * * * SPECIFICATION * * *
Axle Ratio* * * 4.1* * *
Ring Gear Backlash* * * 0.12 - 0.20 mm (0.005 - 0.008 in.)* * *
Pinion Torque To Rotate - Original Bearings* * * 1 - 2 Nm (10 - 20 in. lbs.)* * *
Pinion Torque To Rotate - New Bearings* * * 2 - 4 Nm (20 - 35 in. lbs.)* * *
Total Torque To Rotate: Pinion Torque To Rotate plus* * * 0.79 - 1.24 Nm (7 - 11 in. lbs.)* * *

DESCRIPTION* * * * * *Nm* * * * * Ft.Lbs.* * * * * * * * * *In. Lbs.* * *
Differential Cover Bolts* * * * * *41* * * * * *30* * * * * *-* * *
Bearing Cap Bolts* * * * * *77* * * * * *57* * * * * *-* * *
Ring Gear Bolts* * * * * *136* * * * * *100* * * * * *-* * *
Pinion Nut* * * * * *271 - 475* * * * * *200 - 350* * * * * *-* * *
Axle Retainer Nuts* * * * * *61* * * * * *45* * * * * *-* * *

REAR AXLE - 226RBI* * *
DESCRIPTION * * * SPECIFICATION * * *
Axle Ratio* * * 3.21, 4.10* * *
Ring Gear Backlash* * * 0.12 - 0.20 mm (0.005 - 0.008 in.)* * *
Pinion Torque To Rotate - Original Bearings* * * 1 - 2 Nm (10 - 20 in. lbs.)* * *
Pinion Torque To Rotate - New Bearings* * * 2 - 4.5 Nm (20 - 40 in. lbs.)* * *
Total Torque To Rotate: Pinion Torque To Rotate plus* * * 0.79 - 1.24 Nm (7 - 11 in. lbs.)* * *

DESCRIPTION* * * * * *Nm* * * * * Ft.Lbs.* * * * * * * * * *In. Lbs.* * *
Fill Hole Plug* * * * * *34* * * * * *25* * * * * *-* * *
Differential Cover Bolts* * * * * *41* * * * * *30* * * * * *-* * *
Bearing Cap Bolts* * * * * *108* * * * * *80* * * * * *-* * *
Ring Gear Bolts* * * * * *136* * * * * *100* * * * * *-* * *
Pinion Nut* * * * * *217 - 271* * * * * *160 - 200* * * * * *-* * *
Axle Retainer Nuts* * * * * *61* * * * * *45* * * * * *-* * *


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I think I'm doing these gears this wknd,


.. would it hurt to warm up the crush sleeve with some map gas before I squish it?
I would not do that. Nothing good could come from that.
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If you do not have the sack to crush the crush sleeve with out attempting to heat it first you may not even want to consider trying to touch gears..
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I gotta big sack, I'm just cheap.
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If you do not have the sack to crush the crush sleeve with out attempting to heat it first you may not even want to consider trying to touch gears..
As much as I wanted to give OP the benefit of the doubt, I do not believe he ever has any intention of swapping gears. I think OP will continue to update this thread with pointless crap until he moves on to another pointless thread. Im still not in the lib=ARB camp, but Im sure Stub has some piece of concrete evidence he cant share. My guess is Arb / Lib traffic both originate from similar VPN IP space.
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In yo face. Who's arb
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In yo face.
Consider not getting too cocky until you've set up your gears and had them not fail . . . at least one time

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When my coworkers complain that I'm too cocky to my bosses they turn to them and say 'he has a right to be cocky'

The reason I wont fail is because I will know how to do the job before I do it.

Common sense is rare. You can use that if you want
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Consider not getting too cocky until you've set up your gears and had them not fail . . . at least one time



Not my circus, not my monkeys, but novices talking shit often invite karma to drop a bitch slap upon them










You likely already know this , but it's



this goat rodeo



and presumably



this douchenozzle



and



This misfit whackadoodle



. . . and "Jeep Wrangler Nation" . . .



. . . and "ourjeeplife" . . .



. . . and like 30 other aliases across the internet as he attempts to outrun all his failures
Thanks but if you guys compare me to that type then you are probably over dramatic in your daily life
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The reason I wont fail is because I will know how to do the job before I do it.
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I cant find torque specs anywhere for the 4.56 gears I bought?
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would it hurt to warm up the crush sleeve with some map gas before I squish it?
Just making sure we have the narrative correct here.
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So have you made any progress? How's it going?

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So have you made any progress? How's it going?
I may wait until my torq locker gets here mid may. Cant take the cross pin out unless you pull the ring gear off so I'll just wait
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Whoooeee.. locker is here already..

Is it ok to break in a new gear set with an auto locker in the front???

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Whoooeee.. locker is here already..

Is it ok to break in a new gear set with an auto locker in the front???

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Are you on a stock front axle? If so, that will be horrible to drive on pavement since they do not have lockouts. That thing is going to be a peach to drive around town, if you do.
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Are you on a stock front axle? If so, that will be horrible to drive on pavement since they do not have lockouts. That thing is going to be a peach to drive around town, if you do.
It's a stock d30 yeah, but I have read nothing but good things about these new torq lockers, just have to learn how to accelerate through corners?

Also I thought these front axles are not under power at all until transfer case is engaged?
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The front axle is not being driven by the transfer case when in 2wd. But since the shafts are direct driven by the unit bearings at all times, the locker will be turning, engaging and disengaging frequently.
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Consider not getting too cocky until you've set up your gears and had them not fail . . . at least one time

Not my circus, not my monkeys, but novices talking shit often invite karma to drop a bitch slap upon them





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I've met that " carpart karma" bitch before & learned my boasting lesson, multiple times

well, regardless of whether libor does 'em or doesn't , he's photographed the right torque wrench for the task. I didn't have one of when I crushsleeved, used a little inch lb Tekton w/ 1/2" adapter. Those nice gauged inch pound TWs cost a small fortune.




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It's a stock d30 yeah, but I have read nothing but good things about these new torq lockers, just have to learn how to accelerate through corners?

Also I thought these front axles are not under power at all until transfer case is engaged?

I didn't catch that @libordemise was goin with the TORQMasters Torq Locker up front.

You won't have half of the nominal asphalt parking lot tire chirping with the TorqLocker that you will hear others that have run Aussie or other lunchbox ,autolocker declare (correctly)
because of it's design. The keyway eliminated the internal cups that are integral to the Aussie design. The result is loss of almost 75% of the turn radius bind usually associated with autolockers up front. That and there is virtually no clicking .
I had my Yukon gears broken in by 2500-3500 miles when I installed the front locker. I did install the OX selectable out back at same time as gear upgrade.
Fwiw, I do think my setup is a bit smoother due to the RCVs also nullifying much front , turn binding but trust me; every single person that wheels and who has installed a TorqLocker up front has only the best things to say about the thing .

I'll reveal a seemingly silly proposal I'm considering , solely because I like the TorqLocker so much ; axle housing upgrade possibly being a TeraFlex Tera30 trussed and gusseted simply so I can keep all same innards my built 30 is setup with . Yup, I like it that much and it's that strong. I won't be able to go over 37" tires but damn this thing is so capable ,perfect and light . Just something I'm considering,not set on....


edit: move up to more viscous gear lube after your breakin period with the autolocker. No more 75w-90 but go to 75w-110 or 140 weight out front , just like in your rear d44. That'll aso f lower any noise...

and prepared to be able to crawl stuff ike your Jeep is Spiderman ,now...

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Turns... out... ( hahaha!! Cuz the carrier is turning?!) That it's fine to break in the gears with the torq in there.
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I didn't catch that @libordemise was goin with the TORQMasters Torq Locker up front.

You won't have half of the nominal asphalt parking lot tire chirping with the TorqLocker that you will hear others that have run Aussie or other lunchbox ,autolocker declare (correctly)
because of it's design. The keyway eliminated the internal cups that are integral to the Aussie design. The result is loss of almost 75% of the turn radius bind usually associated with autolockers up front. That and there is virtually no clicking .
I had my Yukon gears broken in by 2500-3500 miles when I installed the front locker. I did install the OX selectable out back at same time as gear upgrade.
Fwiw, I do think my setup is a bit smoother due to the RCVs also nullifying much front , turn binding but trust me; every single person that wheels and who has installed a TorqLocker up front has only the best things to say about the thing .

I'll reveal a seemingly silly proposal I'm considering , solely because I like the TorqLocker so much ; axle housing upgrade possibly being a TeraFlex Tera30 trussed and gusseted simply so I can keep all same innards my built 30 is setup with . Yup, I like it that much and it's that strong. I won't be able to go over 37" tires but damn this thing is so capable ,perfect and light . Just something I'm considering,not set on....


edit: move up to more viscous gear lube after your breakin period with the autolocker. No more 75w-90 but go to 75w-110 or 140 weight out front , just like in your rear d44. That'll aso f lower any noise...

and prepared to be able to crawl stuff ike your Jeep is Spiderman ,now...

TorqLockers Rule.

I may one day explore the teraflex full float kits. I have nothing at all against the dana 30, still never saw a single pic of the axle itself failing due to its 'weakness'
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I think I'm doing these gears this wknd,


.. would it hurt to warm up the crush sleeve with some map gas before I squish it?
The whole idea of the crush sleeve is that it takes a lot of torque to crush it. Heating it would make it easier to crush, leaving the nut with inadequate torque.

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will try to pre crush the sleeve on the new pinion with press but I saw a guy unable to crush it with a 12 ton, so... wth??
Interesting thread, couldn’t help but wonder about this comment and what the plan was here, specifically the idea of “pre crushing” the crush sleeve
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Interesting thread, couldnt help but wonder about this comment and what the plan was here, specifically the idea of pre crushing the crush sleeve
Ahh I'm just seeing alot of videos and reading alot of gear set up fails being due to the crush sleeve getting over crushed or so guys have been unable to crush it at all. I'm not as concerned anymore, I am asking a lot of q's because I dont have anywhere to keep.my jeep inside. Actually will be doing the work in street parking in a busy neighborhood. Dont care if I seem scared or whatever.
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