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Synergy or Metalcloak Control Arms??

Synergy MFG's arms (short) with the Dual Durometer Bushing? Or Metalcloak arms with their Duroflex joints? What do y'all think?

I really am drawn to the fact that neither require maintenance while still allowing for a decent amount of misalignment.

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Whatever your pocket book wants to spend money on. Both are good products.

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I will profess that when I wanted to add 1/2” to my rear lowers & push both upper & lowers out just shy of 1/4” last spring, being able to do so ,without removing one end of them from their respective brackets , made it much less a PITA.
The Synergy Mfg joints have the feature of the pinch bolt which permits lengthening/shortening the arms w/out yankin one end off. This isn’t frequent but when it is necessary, you’re like,” damn . I’m glad I got these cuz it’d suck to remove each then lengthen a turn or two then remount...” while lyin under the jeep...


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I will profess that when I wanted to add 1/2” to my rear lowers & push both upper & lowers out just shy of 1/4” last spring, being able to do so ,without removing one end of them from their respective brackets , made it much less a PITA.
The Synergy Mfg joints have the feature of the pinch bolt which permits lengthening/shortening the arms w/out yankin one end off. This isn’t frequent but when it is necessary, you’re like,” damn . I’m glad I got these cuz it’d suck to remove each then lengthen a turn or two then remount...” while lyin under the jeep...


When I was looking for adjustable control arms to fix caster I went through this same dilemma and ultimately settled on the Synergy Mfg because they could be adjusted without removing one end.

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I'll give a vote for MC arms, mainly because I have them.

All in all, though they have been great. I have had zero issues with them. They have had zero rust, but I am not in a rusty area with salted roads. I don't beat on my Jeep that much either. 4/5 wheeling trips a year. My Jeep is more into getting me from home-work-home.

Yes, they do require you to take a bolt out to lengthen/shorten an arm. But once you get it set, it turns into a useless feature. If you put longer coils in, you are going to be under the Jeep anyways with tires off and it's not that difficult of process.
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I am a huge fan of Metalcloak. I have their arms and springs on my Jeep and have put them through hell. Once I had the arms set, I have not touched them again.

But my main reason for MC is their tech support. They will talk to you about anything on the Jeep and give excellent advice. Even when clear that MC has nothing to do with my tech issue, these guys are just getting started. It's almost like they are building a database of what product to make next and use these calls for research. For me, the advice has been great. One of my first calls when I am really jammed up.
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I will profess that when I wanted to add 1/2” to my rear lowers & push both upper & lowers out just shy of 1/4” last spring, being able to do so ,without removing one end of them from their respective brackets , made it much less a PITA.
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Yeah that looks like a great feature, I run the Synergy drag link and love it. Do you have the new style with the DBBs on both sides or the old style with the clevite and jj?

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When I was looking for adjustable control arms to fix caster I went through this same dilemma and ultimately settled on the Synergy Mfg because they could be adjusted without removing one end.
Thanks for the feedback!

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I am a huge fan of Metalcloak. I have their arms and springs on my Jeep and have put them through hell. Once I had the arms set, I have not touched them again.

But my main reason for MC is their tech support. They will talk to you about anything on the Jeep and give excellent advice. Even when clear that MC has nothing to do with my tech issue, these guys are just getting started. It's almost like they are building a database of what product to make next and use these calls for research. For me, the advice has been great. One of my first calls when I am really jammed up.
Ok nice, tech support is great on both ends. Synergy has worked with me on a lot of things, good to know that Metalcloak is the same way!

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Ok nice, tech support is great on both ends. Synergy has worked with me on a lot of things, good to know that Metalcloak is the same way!
I have some of both. Just installed a MC 4-link long arm set up front with rear stock length adjustable arms. MC rear track bar for extra exhaust clearance. Synergy front TB, DL, tie rod, and front & rear TB frame brackets with the sector shaft brace. Just upgraded my front TB bushings to the DDBs. Zero maintenance = less greasing = more fun. Recommend using marine grade anti-seize on all nuts, bolts, lock nuts etc. After 3-1/2 years of daily driving, wheeling ~1x/month I had to cut off most of my joints and order new ones because they seized up.
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Love my synergy! I have the stage 4 lift love it .lots of flex, high clearance arms NO GREASE!
Just cant complane about the product.

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If you like messing around and moving things in your suspension I would give the nod to Synergy. Their joint is a bit harder to flex then the metal cloak joint is though which will put more stress on control arm brackets. Even more so if you have massive travel in your set up.

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Yeah that looks like a great feature, I run the Synergy drag link and love it. Do you have the new style with the DBBs on both sides or the old style with the clevite and jj?



Thanks for the feedback!
ive got the new with a DDB at axle & the forged , DDB adjustment joint at the frame. Being as OCD as I am , combined w hating grease guns ( I have three that I use, one filled w Synergy Mfg grease ) in general, I love not having to apply jack-squat to the DDB joints. I converted my trackbar at frame to DDB & am about to purchase the DDB upgrade for the front axle bracket kit Synergy recently released that changes those to DDBs & beefs up the pssgr side bracket on the housing , as well.



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Love my synergy! I have the stage 4 lift love it .lots of flex, high clearance arms NO GREASE!
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Good to know. How long/how many miles have you had the arms? What kind of life do you expect

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If you like messing around and moving things in your suspension I would give the nod to Synergy. Their joint is a bit harder to flex then the metal cloak joint is though which will put more stress on control arm brackets. Even more so if you have massive travel in your set up.
Interesting. I have a decent amount of travel, nothing insane. But honestly anything will be an upgrade, in terms of misalignment, from the stock arms. Don't you think?

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ive got the new with a DDB at axle & the forged , DDB adjustment joint at the frame. Being as OCD as I am , combined w hating grease guns ( I have three that I use, one filled w Synergy Mfg grease ) in general, I love not having to apply jack-squat to the DDB joints. I converted my trackbar at frame to DDB & am about to purchase the DDB upgrade for the front axle bracket kit Synergy recently released that changes those to DDBs & beefs up the pssgr side bracket on the housing , as well.

Sweet. I agree with you haha, I just purchased the solid u-joint version Adams DS because I am not a fan of having to get under the jeep and grease everything so often. Thats why these two arms are at the top of my list.

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Good to know. How long/how many miles have you had the arms? What kind of life do you expect



Interesting. I have a decent amount of travel, nothing insane. But honestly anything will be an upgrade, in terms of misalignment, from the stock arms. Don't you think?
I would say over a year now and 20k on them with no issues at all.

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Either would be an upgrade over the factory but all three work the same and you are in bind whether you are flexing. If you stick a 18" bar in a synergy you can barely get the joint to flex where with the metal cloak it flexes pretty easy. The synergy joint housing is also wider then the metal cloak but a bit narrower then a stock joint so the metal cloak will flex more before the housing hits the mounting bracket. The adjustable on the vehicle arms are nice but I really only think the uppers need to be adjustable to easily adjust caster or pinion angles.

I am just throwing out the subtle differences between the two and either kit is in the top two I would recommend that people look at. It is just a matter of preference on the adjustability and the flex of the joints.

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Either would be an upgrade over the factory but all three work the same and you are in bind whether you are flexing. If you stick a 18" bar in a synergy you can barely get the joint to flex where with the metal cloak it flexes pretty easy. The synergy joint housing is also wider then the metal cloak but a bit narrower then a stock joint so the metal cloak will flex more before the housing hits the mounting bracket. The adjustable on the vehicle arms are nice but I really only think the uppers need to be adjustable to easily adjust caster or pinion angles.

I am just throwing out the subtle differences between the two and either kit is in the top two I would recommend that people look at. It is just a matter of preference on the adjustability and the flex of the joints.

If you have an apple phone with FaceTime you could give me a call and I can show you on video the differences in the joints.
Okay makes sense, I appreciate the knowledge. Didn't know that about the joint housings, but I am pretty sure that my down travel is limited by my shocks. I think I will just go with the Synergy cause I can get a decent deal on them and run a lot of their other suspension components.
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