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Where is the Secret Sauce?

Hello, All!

I am new to this forum and appreciate everyone's feedback on a question concerning lift kits. Was browsing around and trying to make up my mind when I came across a Mopar kit (1st picture) that really triggered some confusion. This is a 4" kit that runs around $2k. I was looking at the product image and then asked myself what the actual upside is here? What are they adding that I would not get when buying "best-of-breed" parts (i.e.: Fox, Billstein, etc.)? It seems that when I take away shocks and steering damper (which I doubt are Mopar's own to begin with and sourced somewhere else) and take away swaybar disconnects (which are pretty universal) and some generic bolts, then I am left with nothing, springs and a track bar and bump-stops (2nd picture). Yes, springs can be of good or bad quality and make a difference and the trackbar seems to be adjustable and probably of better steel, but is that all there is? I am sure other vendors are similar, so is there really an advantage to buying kits?

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No secret sauce... You are paying more for the word Mopar on it. I would not waste my time with that since you are not paying for any higher quality unless you want to fall in the misconception that if you don't have a Mopar product then you will void your warranty.

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No secret sauce... You are paying more for the word Mopar on it. I would not waste my time with that since you are not paying for any higher quality unless you want to fall in the misconception that if you don't have a Mopar product then you will void your warranty.
Thank you. That is what I was thinking. I guess the shocks and springs can be selected to compliment each other, but other vendors will probably do that as well. I was also very surprised not to see any control arms as part of a 4" lift (at this price), which would at least allow to correct the axle geometry a bit.

Either way, thanks for the reply!
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2 grand for that? Fuck them. Look at rock krawler, metal cloak, teraflex and clayton and see what you can get for 2 grand.

I think this is what I have, its been a long time now. But you get all 8 adjustable control arms.

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Thought the "advantage" here (read cost uplift) was factory warranty being maintained with the Mopar stuff....

Certainly not something that I would personally consider the additional cost to be warranted on but some folks absolutely do.
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The secret is they are screwing the unknowning jeep buyer and rolling the big price tag into the monthly payment on the jeep, this is the only real reason to buy the Mopar kits.
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The secret is they are screwing the unknowning jeep buyer and rolling the big price tag into the monthly payment on the jeep, this is the only real reason to buy the Mopar kits.
and instead of paying 2000 you end up paying 3000. They aren't dumb

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Thought the "advantage" here (read cost uplift) was factory warranty being maintained with the Mopar stuff....

Certainly not something that I would personally consider the additional cost to be warranted on but some folks absolutely do.
They warranty the lift parts? Still not worth $2k though.

I'm sure you weren't referring to the entire warranty? Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act only allows them to void warranty on parts you've replaced, and if they can prove your mods destroyed something else that is OEM (such as an axle, stock gears, blah blah) then yea, they won't warranty that either. I had a passenger seatbelt sensor fail last year, and they warrantied it without batting an eye (I had taken on about a foot of water, and ripped the carpets out).

I still have 5 free oil changes and tire rotations left, and it's hilarious rolling into the dealer with my Jeep; The look on the service department employees faces is usually along the lines of: 'da fuq?'

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Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act only allows them to void warranty on parts you've replaced, and if they can prove your mods destroyed something else that is OEM (such as an axle, stock gears, blah blah) then yea, they won't warranty that either.

The only problem is if you try to pull that Magnusson-Moss card on the dealer your shit will be blacklisted. At that point, good luck getting any decent level of dealer service after that.
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For under $2K I picked up the Rock Krawler Stock Mod Stage-1, plus adjustable front trac bar, plus brake lines, plus adjustable rear sway disconnects. This effectively got me the Expedition Stage-1 without the arms (at the time, i see the Expedition is no longer offered from RK). I added the JKS front control arm drop brackets as well.

The 2.5" lift got me closer to ~4" cause I don't have bumpers/winch/whatever on it and sits very comparatively to my 07 that was on 4.5" Synergy coils.


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They warranty the lift parts? Still not worth $2k though.

I'm sure you weren't referring to the entire warranty? Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act only allows them to void warranty on parts you've replaced, and if they can prove your mods destroyed something else that is OEM (such as an axle, stock gears, blah blah) then yea, they won't warranty that either. I had a passenger seatbelt sensor fail last year, and they warrantied it without batting an eye (I had taken on about a foot of water, and ripped the carpets out).

I still have 5 free oil changes and tire rotations left, and it's hilarious rolling into the dealer with my Jeep; The look on the service department employees faces is usually along the lines of: 'da fuq?'
Correct, see link below. That is all these guys talked about at SEMA almost to the point of it being concerning in that components were so likely to fail that the warranty would be required (certainly joking here but...).

Their idea is that you roll in to dealership, order your Jeep with all of the MOPAR accessories, suspension, beadlocks, flares, purple sport bar padding, etc., pay the dealer to install it, finance it through Chrysler, and they promise not to screw with you on the 3/36k warranty and will cover all the accessories when you bring it in.

Cant blame them for looking for good ways to print money, I have zero doubt this is working quite well for them.

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I would take the Mopar kit any day over Rock Krawler even at twice the price. Hell I would put on Rough Country over RK if you are looking to save money and get a better lift.

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The only problem is if you try to pull that Magnusson-Moss card on the dealer your shit will be blacklisted. At that point, good luck getting any decent level of dealer service after that.
It might come down to the attitude of the person involved, but at the end of the day...wouldn't blacklisting be illegal too? To deny them of their warranty work? FTC would crack down, no? I'm no lawyer and don't pretend to be one, but that doesn't sound very legal either.

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The only problem is if you try to pull that Magnusson-Moss card on the dealer your shit will be blacklisted. At that point, good luck getting any decent level of dealer service after that.
It might come down to the attitude of the person involved, but at the end of the day...wouldn't blacklisting be illegal too? To deny them of their warranty work? FTC would crack down, no? I'm no lawyer and don't pretend to be one, but that doesn't sound very legal either.
Illegal? Yes. Does it happen? For sure. Is there much an individual can realistically do when a billion dollar corporation does something illegal you don't like? Nope and that's why they'll keep doing it.
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Illegal? Yes. Does it happen? For sure. Is there much an individual can realistically do when a billion dollar corporation does something illegal you don't like? Nope and that's why they'll keep doing it.
Yup. Exactly.

I think the key thing is to make sure you have a good relationship with the service advisor regardless of what parts you've got on your rig. I would say our JK is probably the most modded one this particular dealership sees come in and we've got a 100k mile extended warranty on it.

When it comes to service advisors, as a consumer you really have to put yourself in their shoes. They are on the front lines to getting shit on by venting customers looking to lash out on someone. These guys gotta here all the BS all day from angry customers so you need to take a different approach.

If you are cool with them and treat them like a human being, they will definitely take care of you and let things slide that they normally would not do. They will remember you. I even took the extra step to give them a good review and made it a point to mention the service advisor's name.

For example, just recently our JK's radiator decide to crap out just running errands around the block. When I called the service department, the gate keeper on the phone said it would be 1 month before I could even get an appointment booked. That shit wasn't happening so I trekked over to the dealer and spoke to my service advisor personally. He got me into the rotation for an appointment 3 days later. I still had to shell out a little on top of the $150 deductible but I was fine with that. Dealership makes a little money which I'm good with and we get our JK back fast.

Now having said that, I definitely wouldn't waste $ on a Mopar lift. For the $ being shelled out, you can get a pretty good kit from guys like JKS.
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Yea, seems like its a bit of a racket. Since my JK is a 2011 I am not worried about warranty anymore. I am looking at some of the kits that come with control arms- shocks I can always get separate. Some of the Currie kits looked pretty good, but I guess with shocks and control arms you are looking at $2-$3k no matter how you skin the cat.....
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Yea, seems like its a bit of a racket. Since my JK is a 2011 I am not worried about warranty anymore. I am looking at some of the kits that come with control arms- shocks I can always get separate. Some of the Currie kits looked pretty good, but I guess with shocks and control arms you are looking at $2-$3k no matter how you skin the cat.....
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