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post #1 of 22 Old 09-22-2010, 07:21 PM Thread Starter
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I'm gonna be that new guy

So a lil background...yea that's really my name...I used to have a tj on 35's and did that whole game...did the car thing for a while..now I iss the jeep so sold the car and got the jk unlimited sarah...08.....stock...and it sucks...here's my concerns regarding the fact its not my tj...

37"tires soo
full traction 4"

A Reel cv drivshaft for 4-6"

An OE dana 44 w 411's from the rubicon I believs..( is that a bad idea?..don't feel like forkin out for the f9 or rockjock)

Assuming I run that front end^...411's for the rear...

Also looked into superior d44 ugrade kits to a 32 spline in rear...stronger

I know for 37's id rather have 60s but frankly. .cash I ain't got...I don't plan on goin to moab or tellico...just moderate abuse

Also thought of lockers..any pref?..arb sufficient in ur opinion? But as for now it would b comforting to know everyones opionion on how safe everythibg underneath would b...thanks..



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Look into teraflex kits or poly. Idk much about full traction, but I know you can't go wrong with the two I mentioned. To run 37's your gonna need 5.13's with a stick or 5.38's with an auto. The front shaft is pretty much mandatory with a 4 inch if your gonna wheel it. Up grading the rear is purely up to you. Since your gonna go arbs I'm not positive what your locker spline options are going to be. Just be sure with that front 44 you sleeve and gusset it. The 37s will put a stock housing thru the ringer. And you definitely can't go wrong with arbs, they are just at the higher end of the $ spectrum.
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x2 on avoiding full traction. I was a noob back when the bushing issue came to light and it scared me plenty. If you get those Rubi 44 takeoffs, you'll have as electric locker in there already, which leaves money for Spods and whatnot.

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x2 on avoiding full traction. I was a noob back when the bushing issue came to light and it scared me plenty. If you get those Rubi 44 takeoffs, you'll have as electric locker in there already, which leaves money for Spods and whatnot.
Good call on the oem rubi locker.
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Thank u..I missed the jeep..had to gey another one

Good call on the electric locker already bein in the front end

well the ft kit seems to b a bust but I'm just getting a parts list together..haven't bought the it yet

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I had the ft kit on my tj when I sold it...did they fail on the kj

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My advice would be to spend alot of time on this forum ask alot of questions and try to find some locals with jk's that are set up close to what you want. This will help you formulate a solid build plan. There are alot of great suspension lift companies just research each one and find the pros vs. cons.

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An OE dana 44 w 411's from the rubicon I believs..( is that a bad idea?..don't feel like forkin out for the f9 or rockjock)
Unless you're getting a great deal on a used rubi front, you might want to check into the other options as well. (depending on the upgrades you plan on, and how hard you'll abuse the rig, of course) A new rubi 44 is close to $3k, plus the regear, and then any gussets/sleeves/alloys/balljoints/whatever. The finished axle may not be all that far off from an aftermarket 44.

And as the others mentioned, that axle will have a locker in it. You'll just have to do the wiring. If you opt for an ARB, I believe you need to go to 35spline axles in rubi housings?
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I have a ft short arm kit. I would not take a ft kit again if it were free I have 5 of the original control arms left. Bushing have been replaced, front springs were replaced because of bowing. Warranty is only 1 year on the arms. Rock Krawler lifetime warranty. You figure out which you should go with.


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Good feedback guys I really appreciate it...I just wanna make ure I choose a good front end under it...basically as much as possile, id like to not have to worry ab the drivetrain/suspension

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If you are getting the factory Rubi D44 up front, you're still going to need to add c-gussets, sleeves, beef up the control arm mounts, etc. The housing is prone to bending on these JK axles. Plus, you'd want 5.38s with 37s, not 4.10s. 4.10s, IMO, are for 33s MAX with an auto. Throw a Detroit in the rear and you'll be double locked on 37s with 5.38s, not bad...

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Confucius say "If you no want break axle, Drive with BIG head not LITTLE head"
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there are now "super 44" kits on the market (or something similar). You can go with 35 spline shafts and an ARBs front and rear in the D44s. The only drawback to putting a kit in the front is the 27 spline outters.

the rubicon rear is 32 spline. front is 30 spline inners and 27 outters. you can look up justdifferentials. they are a vendor here.

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To run 37's your gonna need 5.13's with a stick or 5.38's with an auto.

Just be sure with that front 44 you sleeve and gusset it. The 37s will put a stock housing thru the ringer.

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If you are getting the factory Rubi D44 up front, you're still going to need to add c-gussets, sleeves, beef up the control arm mounts, etc. The housing is prone to bending on these JK axles. Plus, you'd want 5.38s with 37s, not 4.10s.
I dont like these "absolute" statements...

I'm on 5.13 with my auto and it got more power to the wheels than with the stock 4.10 on 32"... And they're stronger than the 5.38.
We're speaking of making it solid, then 5.13 are more solid than 5.38...

"you're still going to need to"...
Not eberybody needs gussets and sleeves and what not to wheel...

OP sais he does "moderate abuse"...
This in my book is Dana44 stuff.
No need for D60, or everything everybody says you need.
Yes gussets and sleeves are nice.
Just as CV joints are nice.
"Do you really need them"...? Probably not.

Good advise from everybody but nothing is absolute.
It's a matter of choice and decision after a good evaluation of your needs.

Always a principle of compromise. And $$.

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my opinion, lift it.. get the 37's on it and wheel it. go from there.. this isnt your dads tj.. its a completely different animal and the bld works very well. you may find you will never need to lock it.

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ADVICE: PM "Eugene" about 'Full Traction' before purchasing one.

I highly recommend Rock Krawler, or Poly Performance.

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My vote goes to Rock Krawler for suspension. They are the only ones I know of who have a life time warranty. That says a lot for a company whose product is in a location that gets the snot beat out of it.

For gears, go with 5.13s. The pinion becomes a "little" small on 5.38s. Tons of people run 40s with 5.13s so 37s shouldnt be a problem.

As far as axles go, you can get a used 44 from someone upgrading for ~2k. Sleeving and gusseting doesnt cost too much more and you have a pretty solid front axle.
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Yea I looked into rock crawler and from what I've read in other threads nd what not thwy seem to b pretty reputeable...like I said I'm not the guy wenching across the rock...I'm a every so often trail guy...and moderate trails at most...its not a dd vehicle but needs to b able to scoop groceries to or take it campin skiiing...60% street 40% offroad...u prob know the bit...
I have to give good feedback on this forum so far...I thought I had to b on ls1tech to read a good forum but....nice!...thank u

Imma look for someone trying to upgrade their d44 and c if I can't find a used one and prob go 513 as I'm not looking to go too low...even tho its not a huge step

Regardless I wanna make sure it ends up right...

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Imma look for someone trying to upgrade their d44 and c if I can't find a used one and prob go 513 as I'm not looking to go too low...even tho its not a huge step
It would help to list your location and post in the want to buy section. Could find an axle quicker that way.

For a daily driver you can get something like:
http://www.rockkrawler.com/pages/cat...p?r_itemID=338
with high clearance fenders, you should be able to run 37s
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Yea good point ill go ahead and fill in all my location info tonight...fyi tho I live in concord nc...so my lal trails are uwharrie national forest...

And yea I can tell the jk is a whole new beast...never thought id b able to run 37's for $500 and flat flares (which were coming neways)



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Yea good point ill go ahead and fill in all my location info tonight...fyi tho I live in concord nc...so my lal trails are uwharrie national forest...
From this thread in the wanted section:
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where are you at? I might have one available in about a week
The guy is from Lowesville NC
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Already sold that one. The bad news is that I had a "housing only" coming, had agreed on price and was going to build it the way I wanted. I payed with paypal then the guy called the shop and found out they had sold it the day before. I am now in the market for a D44 again. Talk about crappy. As the old saying goes "1 in the hand is better than 2 in the bush" Although I would like to put one in the bush. OP I am not far from you and you can check out my rig. I run a rockkrawler 3.5 with 3:73 gears and 37's on a D30 Front. I have broken 3 axle shafts in a week. I do beat the snot out of it though. Easy install on the lift. I have a site meet in Kannapolis tonight at 6:30, I will drive my jeep. PM me if you want to check it out.

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