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Arrow found my "rattle"

So I've had a rattle for a little while now and for the life of me couldn't accept this to be a cracked manifold (just being outside of warranty) but 99% of me knew it was exhaust sounding the cause, so the other day I started the "find the rattle" game and started up at the engine and worked my way back.

here's what I found...



BINGO!

but now why the hell would the control arm bracket and the exhaust be touching you ask?

well...







OUCH!!!! snapped the bracket off at the weld where it meets the frame.

in further examination I found that the upper control arms had also been installed backwards (driver on passenger/passenger on driver). the Teraflex arms have a slight bend to them and with them installed backwards this put excess pressure on the bracket which eventually led to the weld snapping.

boy did I get lucky! this could have been wayyyyyyyyyyy worse had it snapped completely off while driving! not to mention how clean of a snap this was, so an easy repair. so into the shop it goes today.


moral of the story (listen up newbies) and the reason I put this in the Modified Section, no matter what work you get done and no matter how reputable the shop may be, always fully examine the work done. I thought I had done this but the bend in the upper arms is such a slight bend and when laying on your back under the rig it looks "almost" correct. for this reason I cannot fully place blame on the shop that did this. It was installed over a year ago.

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Man that sucks! It probably wouldn't have been too catastrophic down the road with three other arms there, but it's certainly NOT GOOD!

Glad you got it caught and can straighten it out. Are the arms labeled?

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Holy shit, e.
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Man that sucks! It probably wouldn't have been too catastrophic down the road with three other arms there, but it's certainly NOT GOOD!

Glad you got it caught and can straighten it out. Are the arms labeled?
funny you mention this... YES! actually upon first inspection after the lift was installed I found the driver side tire to be rubbing on the front lower control arm. after checking it out closer I found the font lower control arm to be installed upside down! a sticker on the control arm reads "this sticker faces up". no biggie, chalk front tire, remove control arm, flip, install correctly.

like i said... i thought i had checked everything else out after that but obviously i missed these (again these have a slight bend to them and when on your back under the rig the look "almost" correct)

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WOW!! And I keep thinking about you towing that trailer to Maine.. If it would have broken, that would have sucked.. Glad you caught it before it became really bad..

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WOW!! And I keep thinking about you towing that trailer to Maine.. If it would have broken, that would have sucked.. Glad you caught it before it became really bad..
yeah no joke... but the rattle hasn't been there that long. i think a few full flexing of the suspension on some of these trails up here inevitably assisted the snap.


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I doubt I could have managed a trail fix for that!

Glad u spotted it before something bad could happen...

Keep us informed as to how the fix goes


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I doubt I could have managed a trail fix for that!

Glad u spotted it before something bad could happen...

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what you don't think some JB weld, some hose clamps, electrical tape, and a few ratchet straps coulda held it together?

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yeah no joke... but the rattle hasn't been there that long. i think a few full flexing of the suspension on some of these trails up here inevitably assisted the snap.

Yeah.. I think that would do it..

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what you don't think some JB weld, some hose clamps, electrical tape, and a few ratchet straps coulda held it together?
ZIP TIES!!! Don't forget to use some zip ties.. LOL

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Dang ...installing a evap skid as soon as my Jeep gets back from the shop ...probably a good time to check everything out. Glad you didn't experience this while mobile!!

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Real moral of the story is, do the work yourself. In my experience 80-90% of mechanics out there are idiots. I took a Jeep in for an inspection a couple years ago that I had inspected and would have failed it for 3 different things outright and 1 more thing that if I was a real stickler I would have failed it for but the guy passed it.

I asked him if there was ANYTHING that might be a bit iffy and he said "nope, its in great shape besides the scratches on the body."

Stuff like what you just showed is why I dont let any shops do anything to my vehicles.
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Real moral of the story is, do the work yourself. In my experience 80-90% of mechanics out there are idiots. I took a Jeep in for an inspection a couple years ago that I had inspected and would have failed it for 3 different things outright and 1 more thing that if I was a real stickler I would have failed it for but the guy passed it.

I asked him if there was ANYTHING that might be a bit iffy and he said "nope, its in great shape besides the scratches on the body."

Stuff like what you just showed is why I dont let any shops do anything to my vehicles.
would have if i knew how to weld. i mean.. i can tack and run a fairly good line but nothing i would trust under my rig that's this crucial of an element as of yet.

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would have if i knew how to weld. i mean.. i can tack and run a fairly good line but nothing i would trust under my rig that's this crucial of an element as of yet.
Very true, I would consider myself a decent welder(for making bumpers, fixing frame cracks on my YJ, etc) but for welding on components like you have there I always brought it over to my step fathers place and had him weld it.

I've only got a 220volt Miller MIG while he has a 720 volt stick welder so for thicker metals I tend to lean towards him doing it aswell.

But beyond someone welding on tabs for me, I do everything else myself exactly for this reason. Even something like an oil change is too risky for shops to do in my opinion. lol
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None of those trail fixes would work because you're forgetting the duct tape.
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None of those trail fixes would work because you're forgetting the duct tape.
Duct tape has been replaced in my tool box arsenal by Gorilla Tape. I'm fairly certain one could use that shit to repair a broken drive shaft for a drive home from the trail!!!


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Wow good thing you caught that when you did. I'm not very impressed with the factory welds for the control arm brackets. I broke part of the weld on my driver front lca frame mount, doing some relatively light wheeling. The factory weld seems to have very little penetration...

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I'm a qc inspector, refineries and such. The first thing I noticed after purchasing the jk and crawling under it the next day at home was that all of the suspension brackets were only welded on one side, WTF? Specially on something that is ment to be lifted, wheeled and abused and they only weld the stuff on one side with thin fillet welds. Bad idea! And if you would have to slam on the brakes it most likely would have taken the rest of the bracket off. Next shop job out of the refinery I'm having a welder tig all the back sides of my brackets and weld in all my new poly bracketry. Glad you found it!

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glad you're ok and found it before it was a disaster on the road.
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Which way are the bends in the uppers supposed to go? I have the same arms and had someone else install them, gotta check this out tomorrow

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Which way are the bends in the uppers supposed to go? I have the same arms and had someone else install them, gotta check this out tomorrow
Go to Teraflex's website and click on the lift you have and blow it up by double clicking on it. If you right click the picture it will give you the option to print. They have laid everything out in the order it would look from a birdseye view for reference. Just remember everything will be upside down when you're laying under your Jeep. Also, the control arms have stickers on them with placement and also note which side the sticker faces whether be up or down.


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