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Question What do I need to meet requirements?

I have a 2013 JK 4-door stock.
I want to join the JK experience at some point, but still drive my jeep around town.
I need to meet the following requirements:
• Lockers, Front and Rear
• Sport Cage
• 37″ Minimum Tire Size (for 4 Door)
• Must carry 2 Fire Extinguishers, First Aid Kit and Spill Kit
• Working CB Radio
• Winch
• Working E-brake
From my understanding, I need the following to meet those requirements intelligently:
• Dana 60:
o Lots of work I don't understand
• 37" Tire needs:
o extended bump stops
o driveshaft
o welded diffs to axle tube
o truss front & rear
o 2.5" - 3" lift
o inner axle sleeve
o upper knuckle gusset
o 5.13 gear ratio or better 4.88

I am NOT looking to out preform anyone, do a trail completely unaided, or complete a trail without recovery.
I do want to be at least minimally save and intelligent on low to moderate trails.

Am I correct about the requirement for 37" tires? Do I need a Dana 60? What else do I NEED?

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post #2 of 14 Old 10-27-2013, 11:19 AM
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JKE is organized by Off Road Evolution. It doesn't hurt to run their products and those of the participating sponsors if you want to participate.

Just look at the builds of prior years' non-sponsor participants to get ideas of builds.

I would not say you absolutely need a 60 for 37s unless your rig is really heavy.




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you should do some wheeling before you jump into something that requires 37s. while im sure any tard with a JK can show up and throw money at that run, you should probably have some clue of how to wheel before you do
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JKE is organized by Off Road Evolution. It doesn't hurt to run their products and those of the participating sponsors if you want to participate.

Just look at the builds of prior years' non-sponsor participants to get ideas of builds.

I would not say you absolutely need a 60 for 37s unless your rig is really heavy.




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What would a "really heavy" weight be around, Mine is currently about 4600 lbs. I realize that each modification will likely add weight. I was guessing that a 9000 lbs-pull wench would be sufficient.
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@sneck, I completely agree. My goal is NOT to add all these pieces and go to the JKE. I am using the JKE as a goal and I want to put these modifications on one piece at a time and go on some trails after each modification.

The point of this thread was to help me clarify and solidify future modifications so that I do not waste time an money on things that will be replaced or are unnecessary.

Thank you for the sound advice Sneck.
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What would a "really heavy" weight be around, Mine is currently about 4600 lbs. I realize that each modification will likely add weight. I was guessing that a 9000 lbs-pull wench would be sufficient.
Some 4 dr JKs end up over 6k lbs with the addition of armor, gear, etc.

A 9k lbs winch would suffice if you don't wheel with full size trucks.


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When we were involved with it you would need 37's. Dana 44 (gusseted) or Dynatrac 44 would be a plus up front.

The year I went (2011 CO) a 60 broke (Ring/Pinion), we destroyed a Chromo equipped 44 and that took out stock ball joints. (Upgraded to RCV's and Dynatrac ball joints). You will use both lockers too and we used our winch.


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37" need what lift?

I've got some good advice so far; however, I am still not sure how much lift I need for 37" tires. Some say 2.5" works, others say 4", and I just read that I might need 8".

Does anyone know how much lift I need for 37" tires?
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I've got some good advice so far; however, I am still not sure how much lift I need for 37" tires. Some say 2.5" works, others say 4", and I just read that I might need 8".

Does anyone know how much lift I need for 37" tires?
Tire size revolves around how much fender clearance you give yourself, lift height and BUMPSTOP. Bumpstop is the ultimate deciding factor in tire size. Bumpstops keep your tires out of your sheet metal or allow your tires to kill your sheet metal.

4" of lift and 37's looks good with stock fenders, 3" of lift and 37's looks better with flat fenders IMO. YOU can fit 37's easily with 2.5" of lift and enough bumpstop.

I've never done JKE or heard about it for that matter but it sounds like for something like this you would want the 4", 37's, re-gear and most importantly the body armor to include the axle trusses and c-gussets and beefed up axle shafts. Not to mention so many other things that you will want of course.

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I've got some good advice so far; however, I am still not sure how much lift I need for 37" tires. Some say 2.5" works, others say 4", and I just read that I might need 8".

Does anyone know how much lift I need for 37" tires?
I am running 37's with Rock Krawler 2.5" Max Travel lift and flat fenders. BUT, RK gives more lift than advertised. I gained 2.5" in the rear, and 4.25" in the front. I run 3" bumpstops in the rear, and 2" in the front. I kept my lift low to keep the center of gravity low. Lots of off-camber / hilly trails where I live.

The front axle is sleeved and has C-gussets. Poly Performance ball joints. Factory lockers front and rear (Rubicon). No need for a Dana 60, unless you really intend to pound hard on your Jeep. Upgraded axle shafts (i.e. chromoly or RCV) will only make your ring & pinion the weak point if something breaks. An axle shaft is a lot easier to replace on the trail than a R&P. So, I'd stick with a stock shaft, or chromoly at the most. And you will likely need new gears to handle the taller tires, even with the 3.6L. You will need to trim the rear end of the rock rails about 2-3", and the pinch seam in front of the rear tires about 2-3" (use a Sawz-All). Stubby front bumper will give more clearance for the front tires. And wheels that have about 3.5" or less backspacing to prevent the tires from rubbing the lower control arms.

Follow PlanMan's thread on how to run 37's here: https://www.jkowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=31183

I'd recommend that you drive your Jeep off-road in stock form with a local Jeep club for a few trails. Then upgrade it to fit how you need it to accomplish the type of trails you intend to run. A stock Jeep is pretty amazing in capability.

BTW, that chart above is for the 3.8L engine. You have the 3.6L engine. Let me try to find the correct gear chart for you.
EDIT: Here you go. Looks like for the 3.6L you would need 4.56 or 4.88 gears for 37's.


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I thought JKE was an invite only event?

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I thought JKE was an invite only event?
It is. Preference seems to be given to people running sponsors' parts.

It is an advertising and showcasing event. Although, it would still be a load of fun to participate.


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it says you need 37's, but I'd get 60's to really be able to take full advantage of the tires. you can run your 44's if that's what you have, but this isn't a run of the mill wheeling trip.

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I would think driver ability would be just as or more important in who is invited on these trips.

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