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How many hours to install PR44?

I've had a plan to install a PR44 or Tera 44 but it got sidelined due to an injury. I'm still recovering from the surgery and wouldn't be able to do it myself until next Spring at the earliest. So, thinking of just farming it out and wondering what a reasonable shop time would be for the swapout. Any ideas?


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Are you talking a totally built axle swap over or are you talking about swapping knuckles and shafts from the old axle?

It if is a complete axle I would think mb 2 hours provided nothing is seized up on it.

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I've had a plan to install a PR44 or Tera 44 but it got sidelined due to an injury. I'm still recovering from the surgery and wouldn't be able to do it myself until next Spring at the earliest. So, thinking of just farming it out and wondering what a reasonable shop time would be for the swapout. Any ideas?


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Depends on if the PR or Terra is coming fully built, or do the gears need setting up etc.

You figure it goes on the lift, wheels, brakes, bearings come off, shocks, control arms, driveshaft undone on one end - 1 hour

New axle lined up, reverse of above - 1 hour

Whatever needs done to the axle like gears, ball joints, gear oil. 1-3 hours

4 wheel alignment - 1 hour

This is a pretty conservative rough guess. It assumes everything goes without any unforeseen problems and done buy someone who knows what they are doing.
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Should have been more clear, I mean a bare housing with just ball joints pre installed. Its a Rubicon, so swapping over R & P, shafts and spyntec hubs.


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My guess is shop will charge gear set up, 4-6 hours avg shop book time. Plus 1-3 hours for swapping hubs. so prob in the 4-8 hour range
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The r/p setup is the same price around here on the bench or in the frame. And after you start factoring all the labor in, it really makes sense to get a built unit if your paying for the work anyway since you will most certaintly pay less to the axle company than the shop.

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Not really if he is using all his own internals.
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dont forget about new parts to install that r&p and fluid. possibly wheel bearings as well?

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im going to guestimate the install off of what i did / have done.

-remove stock axle and strip it down. 2 - 3 hr
-swap axle guts (i had someone do the r&p) no more than 4 hr for a good shop
-reinstall new axle. same as removal, should be 2 - 3 hr.

these times are me doing a lot of the work myself, and i usually take my time. the stuff i did a shop could probably do in half the time.
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Thanks all! If I had two useable hands & arms I'd do this in my garage, but that won't be happening any time soon. Local 4x4 shop is planning on a nice Christmas this year! ;-)

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My guy flat rated mine at $500 (pro rock 44). Swap everything over(rubicon). I got him an install kit just to be safe, don't know if he needed it or not, and install the pro-steers. Seemed reasonable enough to me.
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he did the ENTIRE job for 500? if so thats a freaking steal. some places charge twice that just for setting up the r&p.
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he did the ENTIRE job for 500? if so thats a freaking steal. some places charge twice that just for setting up the r&p.
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Great price!


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im going to guestimate the install off of what i did / have done.

-remove stock axle and strip it down. 2 - 3 hr
-swap axle guts (i had someone do the r&p) no more than 4 hr for a good shop
-reinstall new axle. same as removal, should be 2 - 3 hr.

these times are me doing a lot of the work myself, and i usually take my time. the stuff i did a shop could probably do in half the time.
Pretty accurate numbers. I'd say more around 2 hours to strip down, even with pattern and backlask reading. 3 to reinstall since it will basically need a new alignment.

Can I ask a question/think out loud? Why bother with a new housing if you're already running spyntec's? With the armor options available today, you aren't really gaining any strength, doesn't sound as though you are going with any custom width, and caster is really a moot point since with the spyntec's you just run it in free spin and can run any caster you please without vibes. So I'm a bit lost (unless you bent the housing in some way)

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At five degrees caster there's only one degree on the pinion. You're right, with the hubs there's no issue with driveline vibration on the street. However, under certain amounts of flex or driver side camber the driveshaft hits the trans pan. Only way to correct that is to reduce caster. Having a corrected housing allows good caster, and raises the pinion enough that the driveshaft will clear the trans. The housing is in good shape. with Pro Steers, sleeves & gussets. Can probably be turned at a decent price, which will help reduce the overall cost of the PR44. If I wait until it's broken or bent, it's scrap.

I'll run the PR44 with the Spyntecs and may use slugs when in Moab, etc.

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had my prorock swapped for $150.

but thats with the ARB and gears already in. only parts that had to be swapped was the knuckle, brakes, caliper.

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Im sure there are some guys in the local boards that would do it for pizza and beer. just sayin.

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