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Drove a 2012 and am now concerned.

I've been looking at JK's for a while now and today I finally got a chance to test drive a used 2012 unlimited 6 spd sport with 7450 miles. Overall, I'm really pleased with the changes made in the JK, but the area that concerns me is the feel of the clutch. Now, I'm not sure how much "damage" the previous owner could have done in 7450 miles, but the clutch had to be nearly pressed to the floor before it finally engaged and vice versa. I've driven plenty of older model JKs with manual transmissions and none felt like this. Is this how they all feel or does this sound like someone wore this one out?

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Not sure what your question is but a jeep that new still has the full factory warranty on it no matter who owns it. If you buy it you'll be covered. I'd test drive a new one to see if there is a difference to you.

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Not sure what your question is but a jeep that new still has the full factory warranty on it no matter who owns it. If you buy it you'll be covered. I'd test drive a new one to see if there is a difference to you.
The ? at the end of my sentence kinda indicates my question doesn't it? Anyhoo...

After driving the used 2012, I agree, the best method to compare the two is to drive a brand new version and see for myself, if there is any major difference between the two.
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^^^ I was trying to be nice and not call you the obvious dumbass that your actually are.

It is highly unlikely the owner "wore out" the clutch in 7K miles. It is a hydraulic clutch actuator so... all the pedal feel or height engagement is a function of the master and slave cylinders not the clutch itself. Even so, replacing the hydraulic set-up will most likely fix any operator issues there may or may not be. My guess is there is not a problem you are just not used to the JK clutch.

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My 2010 warranty manual says "clutch discs and modular clutch assembly" is covered by 12 months/12,000 miles. The 3y/36k and 5y/100k powertrain sections both say "NOTE: MANUAL TRANSMISSION CLUTCH PARTS ARE NOT COVERED AT ANY TIME.".

Dunno if that's the same for the 2012s, but FWIW.
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^^^ I was trying to be nice and not call you the obvious dumbass that your actually are.
WOW, this is my first real question that I was hoping to get some sort of helpful response to since my wife and I are in the market for a JK, yet I receive a personal attack from someone whom I don't even know. It's unfortunate, because I really enjoy this site, and responses like this will probably deter me from spending much time here.

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My 2010 warranty manual says "clutch discs and modular clutch assembly" is covered by 12 months/12,000 miles. The 3y/36k and 5y/100k powertrain sections both say "NOTE: MANUAL TRANSMISSION CLUTCH PARTS ARE NOT COVERED AT ANY TIME.".

Dunno if that's the same for the 2012s, but FWIW.
Thank you for your input. I appreciate the information.
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Yea clutch is a wear part ... dont expect to ever get one replaced under warranty

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The clutch in my 08 never felt like any other clutch in other vehicles. Drive a new one to verify the difference. You can likely buy a new one for a very similar price to one with 7K miles on the clock too.

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Not sure what your question is but a jeep that new still has the full factory warranty on it no matter who owns it. If you buy it you'll be covered. I'd test drive a new one to see if there is a difference to you.
doesnt cover the clutch. i've had problems (still am) with my transmission and
they said if it's a clutch problem it isnt covered under warranty.

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The clutch in my 08 never felt like any other clutch in other vehicles. Drive a new one to verify the difference. You can likely buy a new one for a very similar price to one with 7K miles on the clock too.

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I remember you asking me what clutch I had in mine. Tom's is much heavier than mine and notchy. Almost like the pedal bushing is worn out on it.

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WOW, this is my first real question that I was hoping to get some sort of helpful response to since my wife and I are in the market for a JK, yet I receive a personal attack from someone whom I don't even know. It's unfortunate, because I really enjoy this site, and responses like this will probably deter me from spending much time here.



Thank you for your input. I appreciate the information.
Woah, captain butthurt, slow your roll. Maybe you haven't noticed, but a thicker skin is needed here than on some other sites. We put our big boy pants on before logging in around here, so simmer the fuck down or get the fuck out.

As far as the clutch goes, I'll second the potential for master/slave issue. You will want to check the brake fluid reservoir.Used to be on the driver side, toward the cab in the 3.8 models, so the could have moved it when they went to the 3.6. Low fluid could inidcate there's a leak and could explain why a Jeep with under 10K on the clock is back at a dealership for resale.

Take it out for a nice long test drive and when you get back, take a look underneath at the tranny to see if there's any fluid seepeage or an outright leak. It could take a few hundred miles to present an issue, so make sure you're keeping a constant watch on it. If there's any leakage, request new master/slave cylinders be installed before you take posession. Insist they retain the parts removed for your inspection on arrival.

I know much of this from firsthand experience in the past few months due to my install nightmare with a few local shops.


EDIT: Your easiest course of action is to pass on this Jeep and buy one that has no miles and no problems you can see off the bat.



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WOW, this is my first real question that I was hoping to get some sort of helpful response to since my wife and I are in the market for a JK, yet I receive a personal attack from someone whom I don't even know. It's unfortunate, because I really enjoy this site, and responses like this will probably deter me from spending much time here.



Thank you for your input. I appreciate the information.
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Woah, captain butthurt, slow your roll. Maybe you haven't noticed, but a thicker skin is needed here than on some other sites. We put our big boy pants on before logging in around here, so simmer the fuck down or get the fuck out.

As far as the clutch goes, I'll second the potential for master/slave issue. You will want to check the brake fluid reservoir.Used to be on the driver side, toward the cab in the 3.8 models, so the could have moved it when they went to the 3.6. Low fluid could inidcate there's a leak and could explain why a Jeep with under 10K on the clock is back at a dealership for resale.

Take it out for a nice long test drive and when you get back, take a look underneath at the tranny to see if there's any fluid seepeage or an outright leak. It could take a few hundred miles to present an issue, so make sure you're keeping a constant watch on it. If there's any leakage, request new master/slave cylinders be installed before you take posession. Insist they retain the parts removed for your inspection on arrival.

I know much of this from firsthand experience in the past few months due to my install nightmare with a few local shops.


EDIT: Your easiest course of action is to pass on this Jeep and buy one that has no miles and no problems you can see off the bat.
Take it easy dan, not everyone lives next door to a pack of Urban Hillbillies and wakes up in a foul mood.

I think this thing is finally coming together. Still Needed: drive shafts, frame mount rails...then done son! For a while...
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Drive a new one to verify the difference. You can likely buy a new one for a very similar price to one with 7K miles on the clock too.

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Look into buying programs through your credit union, bank, tread lightly, or even some of the whole sale clubs.

Unless you are getting A HELL of a deal. The difference in price between this USED 2012 and a NEW '12 or '13 should be minimal

I bought a new 2012 for about the same price dealers were asking for used 2011's by using a buying program.

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My 2010 warranty manual says "clutch discs and modular clutch assembly" is covered by 12 months/12,000 miles. The 3y/36k and 5y/100k powertrain sections both say "NOTE: MANUAL TRANSMISSION CLUTCH PARTS ARE NOT COVERED AT ANY TIME.".

Dunno if that's the same for the 2012s, but FWIW.
My 2012 warranty reads the same way.
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I've never liked the feel of my 2011 clutch since the day I picked it up at the dealer with a few miles on it. I push my clutch in all the way and my Jeep sometimes lunges forward a tiny bit since day one. And it releases really late for my taste. Makes crawling a pain in the ass for me.

It's still under warranty, so have a dealer check it out.
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I instantly regretted buying the manual. The clutch and shifter are unsatisfactory. I traded my 12 Sport Unlimited 6speed for a 12 Rubicon auto last Friday and couldn't be happier.
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Yea clutch is a wear part ... dont expect to ever get one replaced under warranty
Unless the TOB goes. I had a clutch and TOB done on my 08' with 20K on it because there was a TSB on the TOB and I was still within the 3yr/36k basic even though I had a lifetime powertrain on it. Dealer covered all cost.

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I've been looking at JK's for a while now and today I finally got a chance to test drive a used 2012 unlimited 6 spd sport with 7450 miles. Overall, I'm really pleased with the changes made in the JK, but the area that concerns me is the feel of the clutch. Now, I'm not sure how much "damage" the previous owner could have done in 7450 miles, but the clutch had to be nearly pressed to the floor before it finally engaged and vice versa. I've driven plenty of older model JKs with manual transmissions and none felt like this. Is this how they all feel or does this sound like someone wore this one out?

Thanks in advance.
Mine isn't that way.

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I've been offroad, onroad, towing, etc. with my JK and after 5,200 miles the clutch still feels new. It releases at the top of the pedal stroke and I don't have to get anywhere near the floor to shift gears.

It was 40 degrees the other morning and the gearbox shifted surprisingly well. In my previous vehicles, once the weather got cold the shifts were hard and clunky. So far this JKU transmission is butter smooth.

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If it was traded in the 7500 miles on it I am betting it was wailed on. Try driving a new one. I went with the new auto and love it. Way too many complaints about the manuals popping out of gear. The only real advantage to the manual is the $1400 you save up front.
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...and the manual is sexy...

'12 JKU, 6 speed, short arm lift, tires, wheels, winch, stubby, tire carrier, armor, blah blah blah...
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If it was traded in the 7500 miles on it I am betting it was wailed on. Try driving a new one. I went with the new auto and love it. Way too many complaints about the manuals popping out of gear. The only real advantage to the manual is the $1400 you save up front.
I have had the 2012 manual (or as some like to call it on the forum a "Manuel") for more than a year and not once has it popped out of gear...in cold, in heat, in rage...never
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when was the last time you drove with A hydraulic set-up? I drove a semi for years and my '12 wrangler clutch feels way funky to me. I hope it is just that YOU got to get use to it shit for myself.
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I noticed a difference in the clutch on my '12 compared to the '07 my wife used to have. If does have a different feel to it for sure.

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