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post #1 of 29 Old 08-24-2012, 01:00 PM Thread Starter
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Rock Hard Ultimate Sports cage... opinions and thoughts?

after a good discussion here a couple of weeks back on cages id like to get opinions on this cage.

http://www.rockhard4x4.com/product_p/rh-1030.htm

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http://www.rockhard4x4.com/product_p/rh-1030a.htm


i havnt read or heard anything bad about it, but it may not have the exposure that some of the other name brands have.


anyone have this one? thoughts, opinions?
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I had their cage in my LJ and it was great. Will do one in my JK when funds come around after tires.
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Since you asked for opinions, I'm pretty good for that. Whether or not it's worth anything is another story

My concerns.

I didn't like the all of the clamps everywhere, asethetically it looks a bit hokey. It also tying back into the stock door bars, where-as the OR-Fab replaces them. There is no option for a floor mount kit [OR-Fab], which also gives you a total of 10 3/8" fasteners in the pinch seam versus only 6.


Much like the OR-Fab they just claim that it is .120" 1-3/4" "tubing". No mention if it's DOM, or what kind of tubing it actually is.

Their welded joint here makes me nervous



For what is offered as kits for the JK, I think they would go in the order of Poly Performance, OR-Fab w/Floor Kit, Poison Spyder, Rock Hard/River Raider.

River Raider is down there because the entire front ties to the firewall. I'm not sure that's the best place but I also haven't looked into how strong that area actually is. I hope they have..

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Wow, do not like that. What else is holding that bracket on other than those 3 bolts? Also, very short, thin weld. Also do not like.
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mmmm self tappers

31 jeeps in... still have issues
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to my untrained eye i spotted all of that too. i didnt want to say anything and sway any opinions cause i may have been wrong and i find i get a more honest answer out of people if i dont give my opinion first.

imo this cage really doesnt do anything for a safety factor (again, to my untrained eye). its price is ok, but eh...


goody, on your previous suggestions i still like poly's, but there are a few of the bars placements i dont care for in the event of a high speed collision, namely the ones down by the drivers left leg and pass right. it may be no issue (again, untrained eyes) but to me it looks a bit dangerous.

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mmmm self tappers
That's a valid argument for a couple of the cages.

However since they are in a sheer load situation, their method of threading isn't all as important. Sure it comes off as being very cheap, unsafe and a poor choice, but looking at their location, there isn't much of a benefit of through bolting them. Poison Spyder through bolts their streamers, so it has a bolt on the bottom of it. It's compressing an open rectangular channel, any vertical load at that point will just crumble the rectangle and loosen the fastener.

I'm not saying that I'm thrilled to have self tappers in my Jeep, but they are pretty functional.

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They are not self tappers, they are threaded, but as already mentioned it's not a big issue either way. The rectangular channel behind the bolts is not open, the RH piece has a filler on the inside, with threaded holes in that the bolts fit into. I have the RH cage and added a piece of 1/8" to the outside, so that the sheet metal is pretty well sandwiched between the RH piece and the 1/8".

You'd be surprised how much force it would take to rip them free, but they in no way compare to a proper floor mounted and braced to frame setup. I installed the RH cage in 2007 and I am surprised that they have not come out with an optional brace down to the floor by now.

The RH cage strengthens the factory cage and will help in a roll over, it may prove to be a one off use, but I have no doubt you'll be better off with it than without it. A complete new fully welded cage is obviously the best solution, then you have various options down from that until you get to the RH cage. All will be better than nothing, and in simple terms the more you are willing to spend the more you will get.


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Poly has redesigned their kit so the a pillars go through the dash now! They should have a thread up here very soon about it. They are hoping for it to be available in about 2 months!

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Poly has redesigned their kit so the a pillars go through the dash now! They should have a thread up here very soon about it. They are hoping for it to be available in about 2 months!

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Very interesting! I'm looking forward to seeing this as the way their A pillar mounts to the floor now leaves a little to be desired...not in strength but aesthetics and room.

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Ive been talking with them and it is a tube through the dash, will need to take you time for a clean instal and will have to relocate the factory speakers. You can see a glimpse of it on their rebuild of their 07 thread and they have been installing it on a 2012 4 door the past few days so look for a thread from them soon

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Poly has redesigned their kit so the a pillars go through the dash now! They should have a thread up here very soon about it. They are hoping for it to be available in about 2 months!

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Poly has too much development going on right now... I dont see that happening in 2 months. Not talking down on Poly... just saying. If it does happen I will be looking like this guy ---> Either way if Poly makes it, I buy it thats just the way it goes.

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Poly has too much development going on right now... I dont see that happening in 2 months. Not talking down on Poly... just saying. If it does happen I will be looking like this guy --->
Its already been developed, they put it in their 07 and fitting it to a 2012 4 door right now. They told me if all goes well with the 2012 then it would go into production and could possibly take preorders in a month and ship in two

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Its already been developed, they put it in their 07 and fitting it to a 2012 4 door right now. They told me if all goes well with the 2012 then it would go into production and could possibly take preorders in a month and ship in two

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Good to hear they are going through with the development of that cage. I really like that design better then the tube in front of the dash
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Its already been developed, they put it in their 07 and fitting it to a 2012 4 door right now. They told me if all goes well with the 2012 then it would go into production and could possibly take preorders in a month and ship in two

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looking forward to this, as I am in the market for a cage and Poly has impressed me the most so far.

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Ya I think they will have a lot of people interested, I plan on preordering mine when I can so hopefully I won't have to deal with backorders

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Good to hear they are going through with the development of that cage. I really like that design better then the tube in front of the dash
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I was planning on doing a OR Fab front w Poly rear or just go full custom.

If Poly will be updating their design with a "through the dash" type A pillar, I'm in.

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Ive been talking with them and it is a tube through the dash, will need to take you time for a clean instal and will have to relocate the factory speakers. You can see a glimpse of it on their rebuild of their 07 thread and they have been installing it on a 2012 4 door the past few days so look for a thread from them soon

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do you have a link to this 2007 build thread? I can't seem to find it.

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https://www.jkowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74851 Here you go, its toward the end of the thread.
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https://www.jkowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74851 Here you go, its toward the end of the thread.
Thanks! The only thing that has kept me from going with the Poly cage is the A Pillar down tube in front of the dash. I'm really hoping this new design is something that they will produce.

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We should find out shortly how the instal went on the 2012 so lets cross our fingers that it went well

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The dash sub structure is pretty much the same from 07-12 so it shouldn't be an issue with their through the dash cage. I didn't notice any read difference in sound loosing the small dash speakers either.
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it we are talking about loosing the tweaters in the dash, no biggie. just get a coaxial speaker and put it in the dash down underneath the steering wheel and glovebox.

if we are taking about moving the bigger speakers down in the dash, i think id rather keep the kit that doesnt do the through the dash design.
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it we are talking about loosing the tweaters in the dash, no biggie. just get a coaxial speaker and put it in the dash down underneath the steering wheel and glovebox.

if we are taking about moving the bigger speakers down in the dash, i think id rather keep the kit that doesnt do the through the dash design.
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