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Bolt on vs welded stingers?

Curious what the collective thinks. There's a decent amount of front bumper manufacturers out there that incorporate a bolt-on stinger or winch guard to a base bumper vs welding one on. Some that come to mind are Metal Cloak, Pure Jeep, EVO, RR. Maybe it's all about the design... Say the attachment location(s) are the same, do you think bolt on stingers are as structurally sound as (proper) welds?

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I don't have a stinger but I wouldn't worry about it. Either should be fine. But if you are looking at bolt on ones just see if the design of how it attaches makes sense to you. If its well designed and good hardware is used it should be fine.

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Can you post pictures of the bolt-ons?

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It all comes down to distributing pressure/stress. Let's say you have a stinger on your bumper, and you tip forward placing the weight of your rig (and our 4-door JKU's are NOT feather-weights) on your stinger/bumper combo..., well when this happens the speed of the roll/tip coupled with the weight of the vehicle and the decline of the roll/tip, will give you the force or pressure that you'll place on your bumper/stinger combo.

Although Grade 8 bolts are extremely strong, especially when mounted through the bumper mount at the frame (like I believe the EVO, and perhaps others do), those bolts will shear at some point. There is a much higher likelihood of shearing the bolts with a bolt-on stinger at the bumper/frame mounts, because 100% of the load or force, will be placed on the stinger/bumper bolts FIRST, and then if it makes it past the bolts, it will transfer the load or force onto the next thing in line.

If you have a welded bumper/stinger combo, then you reallocate the force or load of the vehicle across all of the welded points on your stinger, and if done correctly, to your entire bumper, which then steps down the load or force to your bumper, and then the frame mounted bolts.

My preference is the welded option, which is why I went the route I did, but as they say..., "Opinions are like..."

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I never understood why it would be bolted on(eps with the EVO one)I mean there stuff is supposed to be bomb proof, and I'm sure it's strong but why bolts???. Welded just always seemed like a stronger option to go with
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check out the tubing that some of them are made out of.

jeepnick had i think the orfab one on his jk. it crumpled like a tin can.

that has been replaced by DOM welded in place

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Welds fail pretty regularly as well, especially loaded quickly as a tip onto a stinger by a loaded JKU would do. I also agree that some pipe and tubing is just worthless and mainly for show, not actually stopping Jeeps.

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I have the Rugged Rudge XHD with the bolt on stinger. I like it, it's beefy and a lot of us run them, however I don't know if I'd trust it completely vs. a stinger that is incorporated into the design of the bumper, say for a PSC BFH for example. If it keeps the Jeep from flopping forward on a rapid desent once, than it was worth it IMO.

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Welds fail pretty regularly as well, especially loaded quickly as a tip onto a stinger by a loaded JKU would do. I also agree that some pipe and tubing is just worthless and mainly for show, not actually stopping Jeeps.
I would have to disagree with your theory that tubes are "worthless and just for show".

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Welds fail pretty regularly as well, especially loaded quickly as a tip onto a stinger by a loaded JKU would do. I also agree that some pipe and tubing is just worthless and mainly for show, not actually stopping Jeeps.
That goes back to my op about a lot probably has to do about the design - and proper welds. As weld on stingers go, personally I'd always go for a design that had additional triangulation/gusseting behind the main part (like Rick's above). (Though I have to look more, I not sure if any stinger manufacturers don't gusset...)

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I can tell you first hand the RR is about a POS. During a trail run over the summer, i nicked a 4" sapling with my bolt on RR XHD during a three point turn. Stinger damn near folded on it's self... Got yanked from the Jeep that Sunday evening. Don't trust em to save you Jeep and do what they ere "designed" for.

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I've rear ended a CRV and slammed mine pretty hard when trying to reverse up a rock and stalled. PSC's holds up pretty decently.

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Anyone have any good pictures of their stinger actually saving them from going over?
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Having personally just recently been in a JK with a welded stinger run directly into a tree , I know that the Poison Spyder stinger can hold up to some serious stress. We hit right on the tip of the stinger too. I don't know if a bolt-on could have kept up.

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Anyone have any good pictures of their stinger actually saving them from going over?
Yup. Another local guy in his TJ.

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Yup. Another local guy in his TJ.

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Having personally just recently been in a JK with a welded stinger run directly into a tree , I know that the Poison Spyder stinger can hold up to some serious stress. We hit right on the tip of the stinger too. I don't know if a bolt-on could have kept up.

(Start at about 39 seconds if you want to just watch the impact.)
You know if ya'll would quit running up that hill at full throttle it wouldn't be so torn to shit!

Nice video, he hit the shit out of that tree.

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I would have to disagree with your theory that tubes are "worthless and just for show".

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Where's the pic where it actually did something?
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Where's the pic where it actually did something?
Did you not see the videos two (& three) posts up, where a stinger is actually doing something?
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If you were going to get a bolt on (like EVO), why wouldn't you go ahead and weld it on as well as bolting it in place?

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Because video was not enough.

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I'd just like to point out most of these situations can be avoided if the drivers don't freak out, get of the brakes, and get on the gas!

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