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Nubi question why does the tubing over the front bumpers reach forward of bumper

I'm new to this forum and summer time off roading.
Been looking at lots of rigs (amazing rigs!!) and have noticed that many front bumpers have a pipe or tubing loop extension that reaches up and forward of the furthermost face of the bumper, in some cases quite far and high.
Sometimes I see the winch end hooked on it and some times not.
The pictures posted are shamelessly nicked from this site and have recently been posted by TXROCK (most awesome rides)
So can someone help with the lowdown on whats the deal with these.

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post #2 of 25 Old 12-16-2011, 11:38 PM
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It's called a comp stinger and it's used to avoid rolling over forwards on steep declines. Jaker's JKU, the silver one, does not have a stinger. It's more of a bull bar or prerunner style bar. That would be more for brush guarding and grille protection.

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They are also a good point to attach a recovery strap if you are in a bad spot.

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Thanks Cris...I did consider for a second that it may be for that but dismissed the thought since they all seem to be centered is such a way that the vehicle would then roll to one side or the other and continue its "ass over tea kettle" seems like it would be more effective if it was a rail or skid from each side.
Also...why don't we see them on the back bumper.... by far the vast majority of of road pictures I've seen to date, that include a hill, show the vehicle going up?
I am new to this and so recognize that I'm probably talking out my ass.

Edit...hey TEXASKEV ..thanks, is a "bad stop" like a swamp/mud hole?

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Thanks Cris...I did consider for a second that it may be for that but dismissed the thought since they all seem to be centered is such a way that the vehicle would then roll to one side or the other and continue its "ass over tea kettle" seems like it would be more effective if it was a rail or skid from each side.
Also...why don't we see them on the back bumper.... by far the vast majority of of road pictures I've seen to date, that include a hill, show the vehicle going up?
I am new to this and so recognize that I'm probably talking out my ass.

Edit...hey TEXASKEV ..thanks, is a "bad stop" like a swamp/mud hole?
lOL make that bad spot. Like you are climbing a hill and get out of shape (a bit sidewasy). Someone above you can hook a strap or winch line to you to stabalize your Jeep. And even help you over the obstacle if needed.

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lOL make that bad spot. Like you are climbing a hill and get out of shape (a bit sidewasy). Someone above you can hook a strap or winch line to you to stabalize your Jeep. And even help you over the obstacle if needed.
Thanks TEXASKEV...So when used like that it needs to be VERY structural since it would put quite a bit of down/side torque on the bumper connection...especially the ones that are quite high?
Why wouldn't they hook-up to some of the other snatch points lower on the bumper?
Is i a mater of quick access?

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Thanks TEXASKEV...So when used like that it needs to be VERY structural since it would put quite a bit of down/side torque on the bumper connection...especially the ones that are quite high?
Why wouldn't they hook-up to some of the other snatch points lower on the bumper?
Is i a mater of quick access?
The long 'stingers' typically have gussets to make them strong at the bumper joint. But you asked a good question. A perefered attachment point would be a D-Ring on the front bumper. A good one should be able to hold the entire weight of the rig. Having said that, I've seen stingers used as straping points. As for me, I didn't see a need for a long one on my rig. I just have one that is tall enough to protect my winch. But if I needed to strap to it I wouldn't worry about it failing.

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Thanks Kev...off to do some Christmas shopping.
Good looking rig!!

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Thanks Cris...I did consider for a second that it may be for that but dismissed the thought since they all seem to be centered is such a way that the vehicle would then roll to one side or the other and continue its "ass over tea kettle" seems like it would be more effective if it was a rail or skid from each side.

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That was some bad driving.
Mistakes happen when you deal with rocks. Looks like the rear tires slid down the first face and his wheelbase put the front down the second in one quick lick.

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Once it was up though a little throttle would have sat the back right down and it wouldn't have been such a big spectacle.

It is a good illustration of how a stinger should work though.
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I'm glad you guys cleared that up... I thought the long ones were there to keep you from running over smaller cars when parking at the mall.

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I'm glad you guys cleared that up... I thought the long ones were there to keep you from running over smaller cars when parking at the mall.
No silly it just relocates the little ones that park all stupid at the mall.

or this:

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Once it was up though a little throttle would have sat the back right down and it wouldn't have been such a big spectacle.
Easier said from behind a keyboard. Looks like a very steep hill and there are people dead in front of him. I don't know the guy so I can't quite "defend what he did", but I have seen a roll-over or two. You get a split second decision when certain things happen..usually one is right, other is dead wrong. Just depends on the card you got pulled that day. My motto when going down hill is throttle is your friend more than braking, but I couldn't tell you what I'd do in panic.

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OK...well I'm convinced now....DAMN!!
Yeh...I'm not going to weekend quarterback....but when I'm going down a steep face of snow and start sliding at all I'm on the throttle...having said that when he said "I got no steering" its probably a good thing he didn't goose it, what with his wheels hard right like they were.

You've taught lots today guys...thanks for taking the time.

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Judging from the photo posted by 4x4x4, it looks like the optimum angle of the stinger is a straight line from the face of the tire to the face of the bumper then continue up and out to the face of the stinger.
Is that right?

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it just depends... instead of a stinger I just have a few friends hold a strap off my rear bumper. that keeps the ass down and if I need to gas it they can just let go.

in my op comp stingers on weekend trucks look silly. dedicated trail rig OK.

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That's such an excellent picture...thanks Vick.
I'm starting to think getting into this orientation is quite a bit more common then I imagined.
Is that right?

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With a 2 door... possibly. Depends on where you wheel.

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Threah hijack...uh its my thread so I'll look the other way for a minute!

When I see that standing on its nose, I'm wondering what happens with the oil sump pick-up?

I can see that you would/could shut the engine down until its back on the rubber...but it got me wondering about extreme angles generally speaking..up or down.
How do you keep the oil flowing?

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