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Well safety has become a huge concern for me ever since my brother rolled his F-250 last year. The top on his truck just crumpled and he ended up with a broken C5, C6, and C7.

I'm looking to beef up the dog shit stock cage so the Jeep will hold up after a slow crawling flop, or a high speed rollover.

I have already added Twisted Stitch seats, Rockhard harness bars, and 4 point Harnesses. And I want to address the cage next.

Right now I'm deciding between Poison Spyder bolt in, or River Raider weld in. I like the strength of the weld in, but I can't weld so I would have to have someone install it for me (which would probably make it a lot more expensive than PSC) Now PSC definitely spent a whole lot of time engineering their bolt in cage, and it looks pretty solid. Also I could install it myself.

A full custom cage is out of the option because the last time I got a quote it was $3,500. I'm sorry for the long post, I just want to make the right decision.
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I went with the PSC bolt in, and I'm going to be installing it this weekend. I also wanted to do a weld-in cage that tied in to the frame, but this is a 30,000 Jeep and not a buggy. I don't plan on rolling it and if I do I don't care if it saves the Jeep structurally, I just care if it saves me. The PSC should do a good job of.

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Unfortunately the best way to make sure whats around you will hold up in a "high speed roll over" is to go with a custom build cage tied to the frame. That's about as "absolute" as they come.

Everything else is a pretty good addition to what is there (which is not much). However if high speed rollover is one of your main goals and your seats/harnesses will keep your ass in the seat...custom is the option to go with. Not what you want to hear, but thats a fact jack. I'd put any of the aftermarket bolt-in's as being up to the task of a trail flop, high speed is a different realm. What I have added to mine over the length of a two door gives me a pretty good amount of comfort, without a doubt...but it all replaced with frame tied DOM (figuring chromo is too pricey for most of us) is as good as they come.

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Out of those 2 I like the PSC better. It looks like it has more attachment point which I would think would be a plus with the plate style a pillar. I agree with goody about the high speed stuff. I trust my cage to save my ass if I put it on the roof at 60mph. I don't know I would trust a dash mounted addition to do that.

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I completely agree with you Goody and Spedly, eventually I'll go with a full tied in custom cage. But right now I'm just looking for a little more peace of mind.
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I went with a little piece of mind and got the PSC.

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I usually chime in on this discussion since I did a high speed rollover in a JK.
I say get the best you can afford. Then plan on a custom later on. Waiting till later is the worst idea. Trust me the space I was left with upside down was not much but I survived. If I would have had a passenger that day they would not have survived. Who rides with you?
My pic seen a bunch but nothing like a picture to convince someone. I have the OR-FAB bolt in for now.

I'm enrolled in college welding program to build my own custom when my skills will allow. My time in the Army paying for my lessons even better.


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I went custom because I was worried about the weight of the jeep (crushing the crappy stock stuff), and because I might actually roll or flop.

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I usually chime in on this discussion since I did a high speed rollover in a JK.
I say get the best you can afford. Then plan on a custom later on. Waiting till later is the worst idea. Trust me the space I was left with upside down was not much but I survived. If I would have had a passenger that day they would not have survived. Who rides with you?
My pic seen a bunch but nothing like a picture to convince someone. I have the OR-FAB bolt in for now.

I'm enrolled in college welding program to build my own when my skills allow.

That picture still scares me. I know my PSC cage isn't good for high speed situations, so I hope if I flip (God forbid) it's on the trail.

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That picture still scares me. I know my PSC cage isn't good for high speed situations, so I hope if I flip (God forbid) it's on the trail.
I wouldn't say it "isn't good", it's not "ideal"...but still many times better than the alternative.

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I wouldn't say it "isn't good", it's not "ideal"...but still many times better than the alternative.
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Another affordable option is the Synergy weld in cage.


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I'd do the Poly/Synergy weld-in cage with the additions that Co4Lo did to his:

https://www.jkowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54682


I currently have a River Raider weld-in cage. As a winter project, I plan to make some modifications to improve it, but if I were starting from scratch, I'd do the Poly/Synergy.

Spend $300 or so and do an evening welding class at your local College of Technology. It is worth it.

I just finished one a few weeks ago. It was about 3 hours of classroom time and 27 hours of lab time spread over 5 weeks. We did stick, mig, tig, aluminum, etc. It was a small class with only 7 students. So, a good percentage of the 27 hours lab time, I was directly tutored by the instructor.

A week or two after the class finished, I bought a Thermal Arc 181i (mig, stick, tig combo machine), and a Thermal Dynamics Cutmaster 42 plasma cutter. (Thermadyne is the company that makes Victor torches, Thermal Dynamic plasma cutters, and Thermal Arc welders.)

Next will be a tube bender and tube notcher.

After 27 hours welding, I am nowhere close to an expert, but I know how to make stuff stick together.

Anyway, that is my experience.


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I'd do the Poly/Synergy weld-in cage with the additions that Co4Lo did to his:

https://www.jkowners.com/forum/showthread.php?t=54682


I currently have a River Raider weld-in cage. As a winter project, I plan to make some modifications to improve it, but if I were starting from scratch, I'd do the Poly/Synergy.

Spend $300 or so and do an evening welding class at your local College of Technology. It is worth it.

I just finished one a few weeks ago. It was about 3 hours of classroom time and 27 hours of lab time spread over 5 weeks. We did stick, mig, tig, aluminum, etc. It was a small class with only 7 students. So, a good percentage of the 27 hours lab time, I was directly tutored by the instructor.

A week or two after the class finished, I bought a Thermal Arc 181i (mig, stick, tig combo machine), and a Thermal Dynamics Cutmaster 42 plasma cutter. (Thermadyne is the company that makes Victor torches, Thermal Dynamic plasma cutters, and Thermal Arc welders.)

Next will be a tube bender and tube notcher.

After 27 hours welding, I am nowhere close to an expert, but I know how to make stuff stick together.

Anyway, that is my experience.
Great advice. My mom gave me a certificate for a welding class at a place called TechShop. It's a community garage where you can rent space/time and use tube benders, welders, and other machinery for projects. The guy who teaches the class is a master welder, and when I'm done I can use their tools. I'm super stoked about it.

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