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post #1 of 21 Old 03-23-2011, 08:38 PM Thread Starter
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drag links and track bar

so my jeep has had the death wobble for a long time and i havent been able to locate exactly where the problem is coming from. the guy that looked at it (worked at an offroad shop) noticed that the track rod seemed to flex a slight bit when the tires turn in place.

my jeep has this:
35" tires
2.5 spacer lift
old man e steering stabilizer

He suggests that I buy new drag links and a new track bar and hopefully this will fix some of the problem. can anyone suggest some brands or good quality companies that make these parts? or, any other suggestions about ways to go about this problem? i have already searched the forums and found the death wobble checklist, but I am just going by what he told me to do. thanks

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I recently just did the exact same thing. I went with Currie HD drag links and a Procomp track bar. I had the original JKS track bar that was not very thick, and it was flexing like mad.

These two changes stopped my wobble completely.

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Terafelx forged monster track bar. At the same time check your ball joints. If you've had the shakes for an extended period of time - odds are you've blown your ball joints.

Teraflex forged monster track bar:
http://www.rebeloffroad.com/product_p/1753418.htm

If you have enough lift:
http://www.rebeloffroad.com/product_p/1600440.htm

Replacement ball joints:
http://www.rebeloffroad.com/product_p/ppm-8009-12.htm


Are you running any kind of lift? Might be time for cam bolts and/or adjustasble control arms (minimum lower front and upper rear.)
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opefully this will fix it... the stock one just doesnt seem very sturdy. do you know how much $ this ran you? thanks for your help
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I'm Rock Krawler tierod and draglink and Moog ball joints. Very beefy and no DW. As noted above, your ball joints may also be wore out. If all that doesn't fix it then look at control arm joints. Bushings may be wore out.

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I recommend the Rock Krawler Suspension Drag Link and Tie Rod. Beefy and solid.

They wont bend or flex and if hit will be able to take the punishment more than anything else on the market currently.


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I have 2.5 inch coil lift. so do yall think that i am going in the right direction?
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Id go poly, ive seen there shit take major abuse in the hammers with no issue
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heres what i am looking at getting:

track bar:
http://shoplive.rompalicious.com/sto...ack=googlebase

or...

http://www.rebeloffroad.com/product_p/1753418.htm

why is the first one triangular and the second trackbar circular like the stock ones? am i looking at something wrong? does it make a difference?

i also need to look at tie rods now..
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heres what i am looking at getting:

track bar:
http://shoplive.rompalicious.com/sto...ack=googlebase

or...

http://www.rebeloffroad.com/product_p/1753418.htm

why is the first one triangular and the second trackbar circular like the stock ones? am i looking at something wrong? does it make a difference?

i also need to look at tie rods now..
We sell and have installed both. If you'd like, give me a call tomorrow and we can talk about your whole build to make sure this component gets you where you need to be.

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We sell and have installed both. If you'd like, give me a call tomorrow and we can talk about your whole build to make sure this component gets you where you need to be.

Cheers,
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been working and havent had a chance to call! i need to get this ordered soon though wobble is bad
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could the problem be that i need new adjustable front control arms?? im not sure if I should buy a new roughcountry track bar... or new control arms?? someone help please!
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Like I said on the phone, death wobble is caused by many many things and is never 100% of the time the same thing between all Jeeps. Lift size, tire size, etc all play factors.

Check the torque on your track bar bolts, and after numerous death wobble experiences you need to check your ball joints as well.

I know you are 3 hours from a 4x4 shop but we'd like to see you have a professional check it out. I'm happy to sell you whatever parts you want but I want them to be the right ones.

When a vehicle with a wobble comes in, even with a 2.5" lift, the first thing we do is tighten bolts. Our instincts and experience tell us to adjust your caster, and simply throwing on a new steering stabilizer isn't the solution.

Happy to be of any assistance possible,

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ok so getting the jeeo checked out soon. last time i checked all bolts and everything was tight in the front end but didnt check the tourqe.

anyways as a back up... i was thinking the best option would be to replace the 2.5" spacers that i have now and buy the rough country lift:

http://www.roughcountry.com/jeep_jk_3-seriesII.html

i figure this would give me a good chance of eliminating the problem since it comes with new arms, trackbar brackets etc etc. any opinions?
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bump again... need to get this fixed
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Have you tried to tighten the bolts and did you look at the condition of the ball joints? These are so locations that could easily casur your DW.

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yes everything is tightened down. did not look at the ball joints.... i keep being told different things to do
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I'm going through the same thing you are. Turns out my problem was the track bar bushing on the frame side. Mine was soft, I had the bolt as tight as I could get it without fear of snapping the bolt and it still moved within itself about 1/6" of an inch. Swapped it out for another stock TB that a friend had and it got rid of DW but I still have a slight shimmy when I hit good sized bumps at speed.The only way you can tell is to get down under your jeep while someone else turns the steering wheel back and forth fast. If there is ANY movement at either end that's probably your problem. 90% of DW is track bar induced. The other issue that could happen with the trackbar is that the axle side mount hole could be wallowed out. You really won't know this without taking it apart and looking at it. If the hole is larger than the bolt, time to have it reinforced.

I'm ordering an aftermarket adjustable TB. I think this will help, instead of the axle fighting with such a short factory TB, even at only 2.5". Probably the RK b/c I've had good experiences with them with my last jeep.

If you replace the track bar and still have issues I'd suspect the ball joints.

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The other issue that could happen with the trackbar is that the axle side mount hole could be wallowed out. You really won't know this without taking it apart and looking at it. If the hole is larger than the bolt, time to have it reinforced.
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I'm ordering an aftermarket adjustable TB. I think this will help, instead of the axle fighting with such a short factory TB, even at only 2.5". Probably the RK b/c I've had good experiences with them with my last jeep.
If you want a TB that is EASY to adjust while on the vehicle check THIS out.

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If you replace the track bar and still have issues I'd suspect the ball joints.
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yes everything is tightened down. did not look at the ball joints.... i keep being told different things to do
I would suspect the BJ's to be this issue at this point though. Here is the fix.


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I had the beginings of death wobble and bump steer pretty bad. Spent today installing polys ball joints and its all gone! Lower balljoints were trashed. Also Moridintx had the same problem and we did his balljoints 2 weeks ago and his lowers were trashed too, it solved his DW and bumpsteer.
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