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Keep it tight and eliminate the fog lights 13 33.33%
Make it wider and keep the fog light 26 66.67%
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post #1 of 12 Old 03-21-2011, 09:35 PM Thread Starter
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Feedback Wanted on Stubby Bumper Design

I am posting this for a company that builds JK Bumpers. They are designing a Stubby Bumper for the JK and are interested in the thoughts and opinions of the jkowners members. Please leave your feedback on wether the stubby should have or not have provisions for the fog lights based on the overall width andhow much you guys value the factory fog lamps.

Their purpose is to design a stubby winch bumper that is:

Clean looking
Has tight approach angles on the front and sides
Mounts the winch between the frame rails
Has an adjustable fairlead opening for different types of winches
Has integrated hi-lift jack points
Has integrated recovery shackle mounts
Has mounting for aftermarket Axillary lights up to 7" in diameter

The big question is do we make the bumper 7" longer overall (3.5" to each side) to work with the stock fog lights? The current length is a tight 46.5" over all. The bumper with the fog lamps will have a 52.5" overall width. Other than the width differences the bumper will look identical.

some basic reference information: from outside to outside of the frame rails your about 33" and from inner fender flair to inner fender flair your about 49"
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Thanks for the votes so far. He is watching this thread and will be pulling the trigger on his new bumper in the next week. THose that haven't voted please do as your opinion will make a difference to him.
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Stubbies seem to outsell bigger bumpers. Newbs often get too big of a bumper at first. But many quickly switch once they add big tires, flex, and big rocks, they see the advantages of the approach angle and tire clearance of a small bumper. My bumper is the width of the frame rails, and with 40s, I still bang the corners of the bumper when climbing big rocks.
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I love my PSC Brawler Lite because it's a stubby but I was able to use my factory fogs. Not quite as tight as desert dog's or other people running BFH or similar style bumpers, but it serves my purposes well and appeals to a wider range of people.

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The stubby I run is 40" and has winch and fogs. The fogs are inbetween the frame and below the winch. so why would you lose the fogs for yours? If your boys put thier minds to it the could make a bumper that kept the width and still gave the option of lights or no.
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The stubby I run is 40" and has winch and fogs. The fogs are inbetween the frame and below the winch. so why would you lose the fogs for yours? If your boys put thier minds to it the could make a bumper that kept the width and still gave the option of lights or no.
They want to put the winch between the frame rails, thats why.

Id say skip the fogs but have somewhere to mount them on the top. People with factory fogs could use the wiring to hook up non factory lights that will most likely be better.
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The winch is between the rails also. It sets down into the bumper, not flat on top. I am not saying to be a copycat, ....but there are ways.
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Does that design limit winch choices?
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It says "fits most popular winches including the Warn power plant" I am runing a XRC8
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I'd say keep the fogs. One thing that most of us like is lots and lots of light. And not having to buy more means we can spend that money on other things. The bumper could still be a stuby while incorporating factory fogs. If you do make one w/o factory fogs, though, maybe add an option of including aftermarket fogs or some sort. If you do make it to use factory fogs, make sure to set the mounting point back a bit from the front of the bumper for better protection.

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Factory fogs blow, so not losing much by deleting them
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Factory fogs blow, so not losing much by deleting them
But they are still better than the factory headlights.

I went with my XHD bumper because it was one of the only choices that allowed the use of fogs, and a between the frames rail winch mount.


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