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The Wrangler JK and The Big Bailout

So, did everyone catch CNN the other night? The iReports are coming in from people all over mad at Chrysler Corp (aka Satan's 5 star automobile company). I feel the same way since I traded a magnum for the Sahara due to transmission problems. I see the Jeep brand as a better choice over Dodge/Chrysler. The only thing that scares me is what will happen if Chrysler fails? The lifetime warranty on the drive train was a big deal breaker for me. Do the OEM parts suppliers continue to supply? I had to opt for the automatic transmission since it was year end clearance and that alone is making me, lets just say, a concerned dude.

I do have to admit that the CEO of Chrysler is a real stand up guy. Stand up for a pie in the face!

Let me end my rant by saying this: I don't blame the average worker for the quality problems. The issue is with sub par materials and "GET R DONE" style project management.
Less cars + quality material/engineering + better QA = happy Jeeper.
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I think that the Jeep brand is such an American icon that even if Chrysler failed, someone would pick it up. It has been a big seller over the years and it will continue to sell, which makes it attractive to any manufacturer. Obviously we're all speculating on what will happen but I think that if Chrysler failed and another "Cerebus" came to the rescue, they would honor the warranties. If they didn't they would have a relative coup on their hands and a lot of people would flee to Toyota, Nissan, etc. So, from a purely marketing/PR perspective, I think it makes sense for a new owner of Chrysler to continue on with the warranties that Chrysler under Cerebus promised.
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I wouldn't worry about your "LIFETIME" warranty the moment you do anything to your jeep chrysler will deny warranty claims.


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I wish Ford takes over the Jeep business...
As far as "Quality" is concerned, this is and always remains a "Management Responsibility"

Give the line workers/operators, the right tools, fail-safe process, Quality material and a "CAN DO" leadership of respect and mutual goals...and a Quality product will be created (providing the design is right... )

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I wish Ford takes over the Jeep business...
As far as "Quality" is concerned, this is and always remains a "Management Responsibility"

Give the line workers/operators, the right tools, fail-safe process, Quality material and a "CAN DO" leadership of respect and mutual goals...and a Quality product will be created (providing the design is right... )
God I hope not


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What happeneds to Jeep really does not matter much to me so long as I can get parts. My warrantee is mostly voided and I plan on keeping and modifying this Jeep for a long time (to the point of it becoming a cut up trailer queen).
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Let me end my rant by saying this: I don't blame the average worker for the quality problems. The issue is with sub par materials and "GET R DONE" style project management.
Less cars + quality material/engineering + better QA = happy Jeeper.
Wrong, you might as well blame the UAW worker, because the cost of their outrageous bennefits etc... are what forces the Big 3 to use sub par materials in the first place. And who would have ever thought that missing bolts from a brake caliper wasn't the responsibility of the union guy whos only purpose is to put bolts on brake calipers. Damn those subpar materials!

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Wrong, you might as well blame the UAW worker, because the cost of their outrageous bennefits etc... are what forces the Big 3 to use sub par materials in the first place. And who would have ever thought that missing bolts from a brake caliper wasn't the responsibility of the union guy whos only purpose is to put bolts on brake calipers. Damn those subpar materials!
True. So why do we need unions in the first place? Didn't we pass laws to fix what the union's try to fight for everyday? Toyota has demonstrated that to us by opening plants within the US but using non-UAW workers. From my point of view, the amount of your paycheck should reflect your work ethic. Too many greedy chiefs running the show. Oh...still like my Jeep by the way.
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I wouldn't worry about your "LIFETIME" warranty the moment you do anything to your jeep chrysler will deny warranty claims.
Or do you mean "Hello this is Joe from India...i mean Detroit. No can help on the warranty claim. Would you like to buy the extended lifetime gold warranty with free t-shirt?". No offense to my Indian friends but man....give me a break!
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Imagine a Company like Caterpillar, Kenworth, Peterbuilt, or hell even Komatsu would be awesome.

But in reality it will be someone like KIA I"m sure.

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Non-American Jeeps? Either Nissan or Subaru would get my vote in that event.

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I want friggen toyota to take it at this point. I could go for their v8 in our JK
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[QUOTE=HITMONEY;61929]Imagine a Company like Caterpillar, Kenworth, Peterbuilt, or hell even Komatsu would be awesome.

But in reality it will be someone like KIA I"m sure. [/QUO

X2... Would not hurt my feelings a bit. But like you said, I dought this will happen. It also would not hurt my feelings to see Toyota take over. Especially if they are non union. I can not see what good is coming from the union. Has never done a damn thing for me. Will never forget the time one of them bastards at the GM plant in Arlington while doing some sub contracting work, called me a RAT. Lost complete respect for them after that. Fawk'em!!! Will never join. Anyone with me.

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I vote for keeping Jeep an AMERICAN backed product


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Imagine a Company like Caterpillar, Kenworth, Peterbuilt, or hell even Komatsu would be awesome.

But in reality it will be someone like KIA I"m sure. [/QUO

X2... Would not hurt my feelings a bit. But like you said, I dought this will happen. It also would not hurt my feelings to see Toyota take over. Especially if they are non union. I can not see what good is coming from the union. Has never done a damn thing for me. Will never forget the time one of them bastards at the GM plant in Arlington while doing some sub contracting work, called me a RAT. Lost complete respect for them after that. Fawk'em!!! Will never join. Anyone with me.

The modern day unions are what helped the Big 3 go straight into the crapper.... among other things... like extremely bad management and zero foresight.

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The modern day unions are what helped the Big 3 go straight into the crapper.... among other things... like extremely bad management and zero foresight.
You hit the nail on the head. Wacked out union leaders wanting it all without working for it, check. Bad manglement, check. Piss poor planing, check. Ef'd up guberment, check.

Yep, it does not surprise me in the least.
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Unions used to look at for the worker, now they look out for the socialist policies of their political masters.
Mix socialism with capitalism and you always get failure.
As a matter of fact, mix socialism with anything and it always equals failure.

I'd like a Jeep with the Toyota engine & 6-speed auto out of my IS350 Lexus!
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Chrysler went bankrupt before, and if it happens again it doesnt mean that they would liquidate the company. If they did someone out there would pick up the jeep brand.

I am with the guy who said "fawk the union"

Thats why I like Florida, it is a right to work state. Union has no teeth!

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I would prefer to see jeep go it alone. Non union of course. Sell a limited amount per year instead of saturating the market.
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I would prefer to see jeep go it alone. Non union of course. Sell a limited amount per year instead of saturating the market.
Bingo! Slow down the assembly line and actually look at the automobile before it rolls onto the delivery truck. Kinda like the Corvette plant in Bowling Green. Each car is extremely checked for everything from gap measurements between exterior parts and through analysis of the computer systems. I guess when you spend 50K on a sports car you should get that type of quality assurance. The UAW has got to go...agreed. As a citizen of the US, all should be protected by fair wage laws. Like I said, if you are good and perform above and beyond what is expected out of you, your earned wage should reflect that. Its Karma man.... I did my part. Could have waited to buy a Lexus but took responsibility to support my fellow American and his/her family. As an Air Force brat from a long time military family, I am damn proud to be an American!

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Not only do I have lifetime powertrain warranty, but I bought the LIFETIME extended BUMPER TO BUMPER warranty!!! It's backed by Chrysler, not Jeep. So who knows. I plan on keeping this JK forever. I REALLY hope someone will back it that long!

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Not only do I have lifetime powertrain warranty, but I bought the LIFETIME extended BUMPER TO BUMPER warranty!!! It's backed by Chrysler, not Jeep. So who knows. I plan on keeping this JK forever. I REALLY hope someone will back it that long!
Sorry to break this to you AdamIsAdam, but if you look around here on some of the older post, you will see alot of talk about voided warrantys. Unless you are planning on leaving your jeep all stock. I am sure I voided my warranty the second day I owned it, when I put the 4" lift and 37" tires on it. I have not had to take it in for any problems yet, but I am sure that when I do there will be a bigger problem at the stealership than what I take it in for.

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there are laws governing what they can use to void a warranty. Specifically, your lift and tires will NOT affect your computers, power windows, starter motor, engine, etc. They could argue related items only.

On my KJ, my front diff went at about 20k miles. I was lifted with over sized tires and worried. The dealership didn't care one bit and the mechanic said it was clear that the lash wasn't set correctly at the factory.

So much of it comes to the dealership. My new one seems pretty 4x4 friendly for a NY dealership. They sell and install all the MOPAR accessories including that new 4" long arm kit. They also offer every other oil change for free, always with loaner cars, so I intend to get very familiar with the staff! That always helps! Hey, if I brake a u joint wheeling with 37" tires, I don't expect them to replace it. But if my tranny goes and all I have is a 2.5" with 33"s, I DO expect coverage. And of course, if my starter motor goes (like it did on my KJ to the tune of $450!) I want a new one gratis!

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Don'T hold your breath, hope you will have better luck than I did. I had chrysler rep telling the stealer-ship my problems are a warranted item they still refused. So just because a warranty is back by chrysler does not mean a dealership will perform the work on it. I went to two dealerships and the last one told me I would have to pay them for diagnostics even though I had already told them exactly what the problem was. so f*ck them (chrysler) I still hope they go under and not recover. Jeep goes on its own under its own stricter management, busting the balls of half as$ employees and putting some quality back into AMERICAN made products. Too many whiners making the work place P.C. if your a f*ck up get the F*CK out of hear and flip burgers for a living you worthless ba$tard, that's what needs to be done in so many companies.


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