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post #1 of 30 Old 12-07-2008, 05:14 PM Thread Starter
 
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Angry Mall crawler EXTREME = broken axle!

We got a fair amount of snow over night and was in 4wd cruising to the grocery store on nice snow covered streets. I felt a little tell tale steering wheel jerk from a binding u-joint and thought to myself ok, no big deal its going in Monday am for a leaking inner axle seal and miscellaneous stuff. I pulled up the the store front let Leanne out and drove around the back side of the store to kill a few minutes. Drove through a snow bank and spun around to head to the front to pick her up and POW, bang, clunk, clunk clunk... Snapped the ears right off the outer, left front axle shaft with the u-joint missing 2 caps still in the inner shaft. That killed the plans for the rest of the day! Was gonna go for a cruise in the country to play in the drifts. Oh well, time for a rental while it gets fixed.




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Could be from everything banging around but it really looks as though your caps might have been walking out


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This is the second set of dealer installed u-joints, if they are walking out or spinning it is probably due to a bad instal along with the messed up inner seal that is leaking.
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You can always tack the caps for a little insurance.
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You can always tack the caps for a little insurance.
you want me to go ahead and do this while its apart.


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This is the second set of dealer installed u-joints, if they are walking out or spinning it is probably due to a bad instal along with the messed up inner seal that is leaking.
look on the inside of that top cap in the photo and see if the retaining ring is on.


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you want me to go ahead and do this while its apart.
afraid so. On the trail, I'll just keep a BAF on hand.
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I hope the dealer is smart enough to replace the inner and outer shafts at the same time. I also hope they take a good look at the locker while they replace the inner seal.


Its a bone stock 4 dr Rubi with a few trips on it and no mods at all.
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I hope the dealer is smart enough to replace the inner and outer shafts at the same time. I also hope they take a good look at the locker while they replace the inner seal.


Its a bone stock 4 dr Rubi with a few trips on it and no mods at all.
Question....Did you have the front locker locked on pavement?


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DAMN

them MALL speed bumps are getting BAD.
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Did you have the front locked while driving around?

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Did you have the front locked while driving around?
High range, SNOW covered parking lot.... No locker bypass either. This ain't my first or even 5th jeep.

my other ride....
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High range, SNOW covered parking lot.... No locker bypass either. This ain't my first or even 5th jeep.

my other ride....
Nice Jeep.

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Let us know what the dealer concludes.
At least you were close to home...

Safety fast,

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Could be from everything banging around but it really looks as though your caps might have been walking out
X2 It seems all too often that when the caps come loose, it is not noticed until it is too late. The damage usually starts happening before the final breakage.

I tacked my caps in some time ago, and never had a problem. I have a set of Superior shafts I 'm waiting to install, which use full clips instead of c clips, so the caps are much less likely to come out.
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When one of my caps walked off it elongated the hole. Granted mine came off the stub shaft but the damage caused by the non capped UJ end on the stub shaft was evident and I don’t see that in the OPs picture.

FWIW I couldn’t “feel” anything wrong with mine and was driving/wheeling with it off for a while. The only reason I noticed it was because I saw leaking diff fluid.


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Maybe I should have taken a closer look to see if the caps were working their way out when I noticed the axle leaking from the tube. I know what to keep an eye out for now...

Dealer just called and they are replacing the inner and outer shafts and inner seal, all parts are on oder and expected in a couple days. For now I'm driving a bright red Caliber **** box.
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Leaking front seals seems to be pretty common, although I doubt is directly related to loose caps, although once they come off it is possible the vibration may blow the seal. What may well happen is that as the cap comes loose the grease that was in gets sprayed around the knuckle area.
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My inner seal was leaking a fair amount, the inside of the tire was pretty wet along with a gear oil stain on the driveway. Quite a recognizable and smelly mess.
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Leaking front seals seems to be pretty common, although I doubt is directly related to loose caps, although once they come off it is possible the vibration may blow the seal. What may well happen is that as the cap comes loose the grease that was in gets sprayed around the knuckle area.
Mine was diff fluid due to the missing end cap.

At a stop I could move the axel shaft with my hand but when moving it tightens up. I think when you start/stop the shaft moves a little and fluid escapes past the seal (which is what I noticed first). Incidentally I didn’t replace the seal and decided to wait and see if it leaked after I fixed the UJ/Stub shaft. It hasn’t leaked since.
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Incidentally I didn’t replace the seal and decided to wait and see if it leaked after I fixed the UJ/Stub shaft. It hasn’t leaked since.
FWIW I've had a leaking seal for 40k+ miles and it just leaks enough to be annoying, but not enough to cause an issue.

When I swap in the Superior shafts you have to change the seals, so I guess that will be my chance to fix it.
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FWIW I've had a leaking seal for 40k+ miles and it just leaks enough to be annoying, but not enough to cause an issue.

When I swap in the Superior shafts you have to change the seals, so I guess that will be my chance to fix it.
Loosely translated, swapping the seal seemed like way too much work if I could get away with not doing it. That’s my excuse anyway
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Some masking tape'll hold those babies in there!




Yes, totally kidding...

I no longer work with Warrior. I am now working with The FIRM.
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Yes, totally kidding...
Use duct tape instead.

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OKay, dealer denied the claim and black flagged the JK Rubi.... Claimed abuse, bone stock but it has some rock rash on the skid plates...

I need cheap aftermarket shafts, who has what?

As soon as its fixed I'm getting a TOYOTA!

This POS has been in the shop 17 times since Jan 07.

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