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2010 up in flames

This was in the morning paper. Thought I would share and discuss.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Co...101/story.html

I am no expert , and from the limited info provided it sounds like they overheated the transmission, trying to pull out the truck. Thoughts?

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This was in the morning paper. Thought I would share and discuss.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Co...101/story.html

I am no expert , and from the limited info provided it sounds like they overheated the transmission, trying to pull out the truck. Thoughts?
There is really no way to tell for sure.
"an agent told her an investigation concluded the fire was caused by mud, grass and water that got into the undercarriage of the vehicle after driving it in the field."
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Yeah like I said i'm no expert , just wondered if anyone else encountered this issue? Just struck me as odd that they thought mud and water were flammable???

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That's exactly what happened. The tip off is that the fire was on the right side. Probably tried to pull the stuck vehicle while in 4wd Hi. If it's a 2010 the "Hot Oil" bullshit should have come on.

The deficient trans cooler issue is starting to get some press traction now. Sorry to read that the owner was burned trying to put out the fire. This is how class actions and massive recalls, scandals re: suppression of evidence, etc. happen in the auto industry. Watch this space.
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yeah the part where she got in and "Sharron switched places with Glenn, got in the driver's seat and tried to start the Jeep, but the engine just revved, she said.

I feel bad for their loss and injuries for sure. A bad deal to happen to anyone.

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I've read somewhere that should "dry" grass get caught up in the undercarriage near the exhaust system, it could catch fire and ignite the fuel tank which is...on the right side.

Regarding the tranny overheating aspect...a couple weeks ago I brought mine to the dealer and they did the recall for the constant chime for tranny overheating. I asked them about a dealer installed tranny cooler and they quoted me something like $500+ and would only be covered for 12 months but he didnt think it would void the factory warranty but couldnt/wouldnt say for sure.

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I've read somewhere that should "dry" grass get caught up in the undercarriage near the exhaust system, it could catch fire and ignite the fuel tank which is...on the right side.

Regarding the tranny overheating aspect...a couple weeks ago I brought mine to the dealer and they did the recall for the constant chime for tranny overheating. I asked them about a dealer installed tranny cooler and they quoted me something like $500+ and would only be covered for 12 months but he didnt think it would void the factory warranty but couldnt/wouldnt say for sure.
I %100 agree with the speculation that the grass got caught up under the frame and exhaust and was held there with the mud until a fire started and the rest is history.
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sucks to lose a new vehicle and get hurt like that. glad everything seems to be ok now tho.

and wait, jeeps are made for offroad??

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From the article:

"Mary Gauthier, a spokeswoman for Chrysler Canada, said she had never heard of a similar issue affecting 2010 Jeep Wranglers."

I think Mary's nose might have grown a couple inches after saying that...

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While there do not appear to have been other incidents where an accumulation of mud in the undercarriage caused a fire, the American National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's records show several complaints filed about overheating transmission oil in the 2010 Wrangler, with at least one case having boiled over, causing a fire. The complaint records for the 2010 Wranglers indicate dealers are supposed to install a chime that sounds when the oil gets too hot, which alerts drivers.

umm my jeep hasnt burned to ground yet, I should call Chrysler







One day the NTSB will figure it the fuck out and make Chrysler pay


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I would guess a Jeep pulling a stuck truck in 4 hi could cause a trans to overheat. Not sure why they would have grass stuck under their Jeep unless they were no treading lightly. We have sold more JK's than any dealer in the US and none have burned down yet.

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Dry grass accumulating between a skid pan and the exhaust can easily catch fire in the right conditions. I've had this issue with our CJ on the farm, luckily I was able to hit it with a water hose once I saw/smelled the smoke. These days I pay closer attention when driving through high grass.
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Wet grass and mud don't burn. Hot transmission oil poured onto a red hot catalyst does.
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In this case I think it is safe to say the MUD seems to be an effective fire retardant coating...no flame can survive in that!

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Dry grass accumulating between a skid pan and the exhaust can easily catch fire in the right conditions. I've had this issue with our CJ on the farm, luckily I was able to hit it with a water hose once I saw/smelled the smoke. These days I pay closer attention when driving through high grass.
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In this case I think it is safe to say the MUD seems to be an effective fire retardant coating...no flame can survive in that!

Wrong. The heat would move up not down into the mud. The mud would not allow the trans to vent off the heat and making it cook from the inside out. I can see how it would happen. I did a lot of mudding in my youth but looking back at it, it wasn't that smart. That much mud can trap the heat and it has to go somewhere. I can see how it could happen.

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Wrong. The heat would move up not down into the mud. The mud would not allow the trans to vent off the heat and making it cook from the inside out. I can see how it would happen. I did a lot of mudding in my youth but looking back at it, it wasn't that smart. That much mud can trap the heat and it has to go somewhere. I can see how it could happen.
That makes sense...I originally meant that as a sarcastic comment.

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Hey....I am the "Sharron" in the above article. I don't have time now to reply to your comments, but I will soon. There ARE pictures of the Jeep and I can fill in the blanks of what happened if you wold like to ask.

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Hey....I am the "Sharron" in the above article. I don't have time now to reply to your comments, but I will soon. There ARE pictures of the Jeep and I can fill in the blanks of what happened if you wold like to ask.

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Welcome Sharron, sorry you lost your Jeep and your husband was injured. Glad you're still with us and look forward to hearing more of this story.

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Hey....I am the "Sharron" in the above article. I don't have time now to reply to your comments, but I will soon. There ARE pictures of the Jeep and I can fill in the blanks of what happened if you wold like to ask.

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HI Sharron, welcome to the site, I wish your husband a speedy recovery. I'm curious how much grass you think was stuck under the jeep and do any of you really think that is what caused it, or if you are like most of us thinking the trans overheated and spilled onto the exhaust on passenger side.

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Thanks guys....I/we didn't drive through anything that we believe would have warranted a fire to start...it was basically a compact trail with some minor wet spots and no big trouble spots. Actually I insisted we take it easy because the Jeep was brand new and I didn't want to beat the crap out of it....yet ;-) The fire didn't only come up the passenger side...it came up both doors from under the passenger area, not from under the hood. I just got lucky that the wind caught the fire as I got out and I was able to avoid it.

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Wow, glad you are okay and hope the husband recovers quickly!
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