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Question Poison Spyder Customs R.I.P.

How can this be??? They have been back ordered on TJ swag and had a late entry into the Jk scene. How can they have gone under?

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wow, don't think I have ever seen such a desirable company go down the tubes. I would have thought with their waiting lists, prices and history that they could make money as fast as they made the parts.

Wonder if it was due to the recent economy issues? Wouldn't think so, must have been either a decision to do so or bad biz choices.

Any info on why?
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With such a great name, high demand for their stuff, and innovative products, you would have thought they would be rock solid.
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wow, don't think I have ever seen such a desirable company go down the tubes. I would have thought with their waiting lists, prices and history that they could make money as fast as they made the parts.

Wonder if it was due to the recent economy issues? Wouldn't think so, must have been either a decision to do so or bad biz choices.

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I really hate to speculate, BUT a company that has very desirable products and people begging to buy from them can only go under one way....

I doubt the economy had much to do with it

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I remember about a month or two ago I checked PSC's website and the opening page had a choice of where to go. You could go to PSC's standard web page or you could go to PSC manufacturing. Maybe Clifton bet on the manufacturing to take off and it didn't.
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I really hate to speculate, BUT a company that has very desirable products and people begging to buy from them can only go under one way....

I doubt the economy had much to do with it

Jason

I agree. The demand is definitely there. Poor management is what put them under. If he was smart, he would sell the company instead of decreasing it's value by closing the doors.

Then he would have all the time he needs to play, which from what I hear is all he really wants to do. Just going by what I've heard from some people around him. I don't really know the guy so what do I know?
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may have something to do with there slow wait times and crappy customer service

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I really hate to speculate, BUT a company that has very desirable products and people begging to buy from them can only go under one way....

I doubt the economy had much to do with it

Jason
I've said it before... It's always: can't ever get them on the phone, no call backs (ever), a high price tag, and almost all newly advertised products being on back order...This all may have led into the demise. For years, I had tried to get straight talk from them and NEVER succeeded. Plus there are other great quality companies that have come onto the scene that listen to (perspective) customer input and don't make you feel like you have to worship them to get honest feedback. I stopped believing in poison spyder long ago. You can't survive forever just because of cool products and a killer looking web site. And yes the strength of their products was great- but I can't count how many times I saw a PS Customs slider or trail corner out on the trail that had the powder coat peeling off.
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I really hate to speculate, BUT a company that has very desirable products and people begging to buy from them can only go under one way....

I doubt the economy had much to do with it

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hopefully the reason they tanked wasn't anything too shady and everyone gets thier money back if they are still waiting....
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One of the members of JOCCI just posted this on our forum-

It has been rumored that Poison Spyder was closing, having problems or just reorganizing. I recently addressed some of this on the boards, if you read closely you would have caught that I was contemplating another direction at that time. I have entertained a change for over a year now and finally pulled the trigger. I'am closing Poison Spyder customs down in it's current form, as a full manufacturer.


I originally started out building Baja bugs at age 15, learned allot but moved on to Jeeps. Had a five year gig with the army in a Special forces unit as a commo specialist and Thai linguist, after an injury was forced to redirect my life plan. I never forgot the off road world, and figured I would try to find a place in it. Worked at a small shop called Wilderness off road, then to 4 Wheel parts doing special projects while writing for 4X4 Power and JP magazine. Partnered with my buddy Steve Rumore, sold my house, paid all of my debts and moved into 1000 ft. shop in the heart of Denver. Steve maintaining the sister shop in Bayfeild,Colorado. This was Avalanche engineering. My dogs and I lived at various shops for six years as the company grew through the Avalanche days and then separated into Poison Spyder customs. Bringing along a heritage of innovation and style that is still part of the modern DNA of the rock machines built today. We grew from those meager days to a fully encapsulated and self sufficient manufacturer. As I reflect over the past twenty five years in the dirt world, owning an off road company of Poison Spyder's size and abilities should have been the pinnacle. When I got to the top of that mountain I found myself looking back wishing I had stopped somewhere along the way.


The above is very summarized history, all a continued evolution built on vehicles and component innovation. One of the first questions everyone poses to me is what are you going to do with all of the parts, are you still going to build any of them? No, with a couple of exceptions. Another popular inquiry is where can I get equivalent parts? Even with our components in the grasp of mimicking companies, they could never seem to find the recipe, the perfect combination of function and style that we always aspired to. So to this question I don't have an answer. We grew as a company with our foundation in hard core components, parts that had never been seen or conjured up before. For those of you that were wheeling in the late eighties and early ninety's, you can remember when chrome tube bumpers and diamond plate were the cutting edge. We the renegade hard cores of those days that could be seen running the trails with full width axles, exotic suspensions and these gnarly looking mud tires called Swampers. We couldn't travel the ever escalating trails we were pushing with the off the shelf equipment that was available then. Those parts were more inspired by show truck fashion, and was not the answer for the direction the off road world was destined to follow. Regrettably I'am not driven to continue building and creating some of the best hard core parts in our industry on a production level.


Many people have passed through over the years, I would like to mention several stand outs that were and are integral in our growth and success:
Steve Rumore: A good friend, one of the only people in our industry that could really impress me
Tim Turner: Best fab tech I ever had, an eccentric for sure, but the great ones always are
Paul Herrera: A great organizer, the last one standing a 4AM when something had to get done, huge potential to further himself in the industry
Curt Sadler: A jack of all trades, could cover any position in the company and do it well, and a good friend
Larry wood: A consistent rock of reliability, a trusted cohort, worked at Spyder longer than anyone
AJ Slay: Always a positive force at the shop, the best sales person we have ever had, kept me in touch with reality
Bret Glassett: A creative mind that elevated our company on many levels and a respectable wheeler
Chris Kreutzer: Another individual that came with many unique skills that pushed us upward
Karl Westendorf: A company first man, always looked out for my and Poison Spyders best interest, most capable


So what is to become of Poison Spyder customs? AJ, our daughter, two dogs and I are moving to Luckenbach Texas... well not in a literal sense. However we are going to re-open the first week of November in our new shop. We are leaving behind the tasking dynamics of a large business, staff and burdens that have grown with us over the years. Going back in time to a shop only a hundred yards from my second shop off of Titan court. Our foundation being the Spyderlock bead lock line, of which I'am excited to focus and expand on. Further, after AJ and I get reorganized I will return to building Rock rods, custom machines and trail guiding. We greatly appreciate your patronage of Poison Spyder customs, and look forward to reacquainting with everyone under our new direction.

Clifton and AJ Slay
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Not at all surprised... PSC Sales has been promising a ton of new products and over the last year and they've had nothing but difficulty getting stuff designed and manufactured. Then, Clifton listened to his wallet and not his heart and signed on with 4WheelParts (big mistake).

Dude just wants to build kick ass rigs, love his family, and go wheeling when the weather is good. (See Luckenbach, Texas reference)

Wish we were all so lucky as to slow down and do what makes us happy...


*wonder if he can get a refund for the money he blew on ad space over at the other site?
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Honestly, I never ordered from PSC because the thought of month after month after month of wait time for my parts turned me off.
They made awesome parts IF you could get them to actually produce them.
I'm not gonna beg anyone to take my money.
There are a couple of other companies currently the same way, I'd love to order their stuff but buying something I want on the promise that I may get it in 3 or 4 months (or more) doesn't fly with me.


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This just sounds like a guy that built a company to the point he didnít like what it became. What's wrong with scaling back to doing what he likes?
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I've always thought they had great designs. Was really hoping they would get creative with the JK.

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I bought some of their stuff a 1 1/2 ago and had no issues, shorty after thats when the back ordering began and months of waiting. I wish he sold off PS instead of closing it down. In the end family and life is more important than anything as we all get one shot at this life.

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Looks like they are clearing everything out.....

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Poison Spyder's 10 day complete blow out sale, will end on 15OCT08! These soon to be classic components have small limited quantitys.

We will not be answering the phones past 1PM on Tuesday in reference to this sale. So if you want to pick anything up, tomorrow ( 14OCT08 ) may be your last chance to make arrangements. Components that were reserved but not picked up by noon tomorrow may be refunded and put back up for sale to be shipped out off of our waiting list.

Posting questions on the board will have delayed responses, for the most updated information call direct 303-777-4820 extension #1.
** I don't recommend PM's to me personally or posting questions, call Spyder as these components are disappearing quickly ( updated 13OCT08 10:10PM )
** Absolutely no returns on all sale items

CJ5,7,8 Trail stinger $150.00

CJ7 Ricochet rockers, powder coat black $250.00
CJ7 Full width axle kit $200.00
CJ7 Crusher corner, Comp cut with LED tail light $150.00

YJ full cage kit $450.00
YJ Trail corners, factory tail light $30.00

TJ full cage kit $450.00
TJ Slider liner $10.00
TJ Comp Stinger braces $10.00
TJ Steering box skid plate ( '97 to'02) $20.00
TJ Steering box skid plate ( '03 to'06) $20.00
TJ Trail cage rear spreader bar $10.00
TJ HD lower tie rod link, non-powder coated $25.00

Unlimited LJ Crusher corner w/factory tail light $100.00
Unlimited LJ Trail corners w/LED tail light $30.00
Unlimited LJ Slider liner $10.00

JK 2 DR Rocker knocker $100.00
JK 2 DR armor $100.00
JK 4 DR Rocker knocker $100.00

14 bolt Rock ring w/ear $30.00
Dana 35 Rock ring $30.00

Dana 44 high steer arm, drivers side, tie rod end $10.00
Dana 44 high steer arm spacer $5.00

For local pick-up, our address is:
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Thank you for your interest,

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Looks like they are clearing everything out.....

I think it's too late for that sale. No cars in the parking lot over there today.
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i had my eyes on their JK front bumper for someday when it's just a trail rig for me. damn.
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This just sounds like a guy that built a company to the point he didnít like what it became. What's wrong with scaling back to doing what he likes?
Nothing at all. Good for him. I think we're just all a little disappointed that another innovative vendor is gone.
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So what is to become of Poison Spyder customs? AJ, our daughter, two dogs and I are moving to Luckenbach Texas...
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with waylon and willie and the boys.
Dave- Are you a David Allen Coe fan as well. You are the most eclectic person I have ever (not) met. Too cool
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Now that p****es me off. I waited for months for mine on back-order, and as of August it was a "could be several more months". And it turns out they havae spare stock just lying around to discount off?

Otherwise, kudos to him for making a life choice to reduce some stress and have more fun. Nothing wrong with that.

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youlrft off the last words of the sentence......

AJ, our daughter, two dogs and I are moving to Luckenbach Texas... well not in a literal sense.
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