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Just Scored an ARB front bumper for the Jeep now need a New winch,Would like to stay with a USA made one any ideas?
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Just Scored an ARB front bumper for the Jeep now need a New winch,Would like to stay with a USA made one any ideas?
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My MileMarker hydraulic is domestic. Dunno about their electric winches.

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If you go with Warn, I would recommend the 9.5cti-s. I've had mine for 6 years now. Still looks brand new and still pulls strong.

Having said that, I know a couple guys who have the Warn ZEON's and the powdercoat is already peeling badly after only the first year. Not sure if it was just a bad batch or what.

Also not sure what country the more recently produced Warn winches are made in and if they decided to sell themselves out....



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If you go with Warn, I would recommend the 9.5cti-s. I've had mine for 6 years now. Still looks brand new and still pulls strong.

Having said that, I know a couple guys who have the Warn ZEON's and the powdercoat is already peeling badly after only the first year. Not sure if it was just a bad batch or what.

Also not sure what country the more recently produced Warn winches are made in and if they decided to sell themselves out....



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I picked up a new Zeon myself. It wasn't until recently that I started reading about issues with the powder coat. Not that I really give a shit about powder coat so long as the winch doesn't fail, but would rather the protective coating on a pricey winch like the Warn not come off like that. Was surprised to hear of so many folks with issues. Never had that problem on my shittybilt, and it never once failed me.

I think a lot of folks are gonna recommend Warn when asking about a US-made winch. Recommend to the OP to definitely do their research. Based in my own research it sounds like not all Warn are created equal.
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The warn vr series is made in China but according to warnís warranty repair center is the most trouble free.
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My MileMarker hydraulic is domestic. Dunno about their electric winches.
This is what I want. I have a picture of the H12000 pinned to my "vision board". It currently ranks below a hot beach bod and above one of those microwavable bacon trays.

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This is what I want. I have a picture of the H12000 pinned to my "vision board". It currently ranks below a hot beach bod and above one of those microwavable bacon trays.
You must not be married, otherwise there is no way the bacon tray ends up lower on your list than a "beach bod". Married or not, you need to get your priorities straight. ;-)

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yes I am having a time in my research finding what i want ,seems to be most winches are made with globally sourced parts and assembled in the USA.
ExWrench where is the MM hydro winch built at ,and does it perform well?
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You must not be married, otherwise there is no way the bacon tray ends up lower on your list than a "beach bod". Married or not, you need to get your priorities straight. ;-)
The man with the "beach bod" is the man who doesn't microwave his own bacon.

On a serious note, will that H12000 work with the stock pump?
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yes I am having a time in my research finding what i want ,seems to be most winches are made with globally sourced parts and assembled in the USA.
ExWrench where is the MM hydro winch built at ,and does it perform well?
I don't know, and it depends on your performance criteria. See below.

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On a serious note, will that H12000 work with the stock pump?
Probably not to your satisfaction. It would function, but depending on the pump it will have reduced speed and/or pulling power. Hydraulic pressure and flow were inadequate on my stock 2010 PS pump, so I have a PSC pump powering my winch and hydro assist, with a cooler and a PSC reservoir/filter combo.

I have a MM 9K hydro. winch on my JK. I had faith in the design because my buddy has a MM 12K hydro. on his IDI F250 4x4. He's used it some for self-recovery, but a ton for dragging deadfall trees on his hilly 40 acres. Electric winch = race car in comparison, but the hydro's a workhorse that should, within reason, be impossible to kill in use.

The bad: This winch will not run without the engine. Rollover self-recovery or dead-engine winching = no-go. Acceptable risks, IMHO.
The good: This winch will not overheat (w/ a fat cooler in the PS return line), and it only draws 2 amps at full load

The bad: Don't be in a hurry - it will not haul ass like an electric when unloaded.
The good: It will run the same speed at full load that it does unloaded (i.e., Honey Badger don't give a fuck)


@BJJohn - I'm guessing that you want an electric winch, but there's my take on hydraulic.

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Probably not to your satisfaction. It would function, but depending on the pump it will have reduced speed and/or pulling power. Hydraulic pressure and flow were inadequate on my stock 2010 PS pump, so I have a PSC pump powering my winch and hydro assist, with a cooler and a PSC reservoir/filter combo.
That's what I feared. I much rather get her all wound up with fluid and pressure than angry electrons. Just not sure I'm ready to invest in hydro yet.
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My warn XD9000 has been great for the few years Iíve had it. Itís not as pretty as the Zeon. But crank for the buck it specíd out higher. So I went for it. Itís only had a cpl of pulls on it. Worked great both times.


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That's what I feared. I much rather get her all wound up with fluid and pressure than angry electrons. Just not sure I'm ready to invest in hydro yet.
You don't have to do hydro assist to add a hydraulic winch. The high pressure line from the pump goes into the MM distribution block and another line goes from there to the steering box. Just 2 hoses where 1 was before. Upgrade the pump and add a cooler (and do a fookin' filter while you're at it).

Of course, if you've gone that far, you're only a ram, 2 tabs, 2 hoses and tapping the box away . . .

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The problem with hydrolic winches is, if the engine doesn't run neither does the winch.

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The problem with hydrolic winches is, if the engine doesn't run neither does the winch.
True, and I did mention it. That ^^^ and the unloaded line speed are hydro's 2 main drawbacks over electric.

The flip side = if the engine runs, so does the hydraulic winch.
Winch doesn't get tired, hot or smoky . . .
and neither does your electrical system (winch only draws 2 amps).

My solution = hope / try to avoid needing to winch with a dead engine.
Really, how far are you going to pull before you kill your batts?

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Of course, if you've gone that far, you're only a ram, 2 tabs, 2 hoses and tapping the box away . . .
Really, that's all anyone is ever away from 1.5" hydro assist! Any more is just working towards the Cadillac of hydro assist.
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No one has brought up PTO winches. I had a 15000# Koenig PTO on my 68 Bronco. It was a beast. BUT like Mr Wrench has written previously, if your engine ain’t running neither is this winch. I have a Superwinch Epi9. If you compare the specs with other elect winches you should make note of the minimal amount of amperage draw between Superwinchs and other comparable winches, like Warn and Ramsey, Etc. Superwinch used to have a comparison chart on their website.

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I really like my Ramsey Patriot 9500 UT. I de-badged it and converted it to synthetic. They did not have it available with synthetic rope when I bought it several years ago. They also have a low profile version of the 9500 that I would have probably also considered.

One thing that I really like about the Ramsey is that you do not need to flip the lever a second time after pulling the rope out. It flips back by itself on the Ramseys when you start pulling.

It looks like Ramsey also offers hydraulic winches but not sure if there is a fitment for the Jeep.
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I've had my Warn Zeon 10-S for about 4 1/2 years now, and the powdercoat is fine on it. It is tucked down a little bit into my AEV front bumper though. It has been an awesome winch, with at least 20-30 pulls on it. Haven't had any overheating issues, or anything else for that matter.
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This is what I want. I have a picture of the H12000 pinned to my "vision board". It currently ranks below a hot beach bod and above one of those microwavable bacon trays.
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I don't know, and it depends on your performance criteria. See below.


[COLOR="Lime"]Probably not to your satisfaction. It would function, but depending on the pump it will have reduced speed and/or pulling power. Hydraulic pressure and flow were inadequate on my stock 2010 PS pump, so I have a PSC pump powering my winch and hydro assist, with a cooler and a PSC reservoir/filter combo.
That is a hell of a setup...
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No one has brought up PTO winches. I had a 15000# Koenig PTO on my 68 Bronco. It was a beast. BUT like Mr Wrench has written previously, if your engine ain’t running neither is this winch. I have a Superwinch Epi9. If you compare the specs with other elect winches you should make note of the minimal amount of amperage draw between Superwinchs and other comparable winches, like Warn and Ramsey, Etc. Superwinch used to have a comparison chart on their website.
Is anyone actually making modern transfer cases with PTO provision that'll fit into a Jeep? Also, routing the shaft might be problematic.

I have a brother-in-law that used to own a 1966 cj5 with a factory Ramsey PTO winch. That thing had zero quit in it. Plus, you could change the transmission gears to get faster line speed when needed. We tried to pull a fallen tree once, chained it to a large tree to keep the winch from dragging the Jeep. It pulled so hard we thought the frame might split, and the 2 passenger side tires lifted off the ground.

He got married, sold the Jeep, but pulled the winch off and gave it to me... It's sitting in the shop waiting for the right project.

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That is a hell of a setup...
It's something I don't have to worry about, so it's a winner in my book.


There are plenty of winch options that are faster and sexier, but
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