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post #1 of 29 Old 10-11-2015, 01:45 PM Thread Starter
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another jk burns to the ground

was heading over to a friends house. smelled burning plastic/rubber, stopped to check it out. opened hood and fire took off.


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post #2 of 29 Old 10-11-2015, 02:34 PM
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Assume you have (had) an automatic transmission? Were you in 4hi?
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Sorry man.
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That sucks.

What happened?

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Sorry to hear. That really really sucks hairy tail

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Sucks to see. That's what big tires will do to a Jeep...

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Thanks guys. I was driving it to charge the battery since it hasn't moved in 2 months. I've had it for sale off and on for a while. I've slowly pulled some of the better parts off that a potential buyer (i.e. Not a built jeep shopper that wouldn't care about) wouldn't miss having. I left home for a friend of mines house 3 mi outside of the town I live in. I smelled burnt plastic/tire a few times on they way over, but dismissed it as the usual living in the country and someone is burning their trash. It wasn't till I turned on the driveway that I noticed it wasn't going away but getting worse. I jumped out of the jeep to see if it was me. Didn't see anything out of place at first walk around, then I opened the hood. That's when the fire took off. I phoned my friend to bring an extinguisher, as I was trying to get my 2 dogs out, but by the time he got there it was too late
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Automatic transmission?

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Sorry to see, but now it's sold!........ to the insurance company.



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Sucks to see. That's what big tires will do to a Jeep...
Yeah, he already had to replace the front axle.

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Just incredible.

Glad to hear you n the dogs all got out ok
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How do big tires cause fire's.
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The tires bend the axles, the bent axles cause extra metal-to-metal friction, the friction causes heat, the heat burns the 3.8's consumed engine oil, etc.

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Gussets and sleeves would have prevented the fire. Lol...
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The fires are caused by overheated transmission fluid. Pre-2012 3.8L JK automatics have insufficient transmission cooling capacity. Fluid overheats in certain operating conditions, most common is operating under load in 4HI. Fluid overheats and pours out the dipstick tube, right onto the passenger exhaust manifold, and ignites. The plastic pressure side fuel line from the tank to the fuel rail is (stupidly) located right behind the exhaust crossover. The flames hit the fuel line and melt through it allowing fuel at high pressure to spray onto the exhaust. POOF!!!!

The trans fluid overheat warning was initially just a chime, with no dash indicator. Chrysler should have recalled every one of them and installed an auxiliary trans cooler, but instead got away with just adding a "hot oil" indication on the dash to supplement the chime. The Feds have an open investigation on this and to my knowledge have yet to rule. FCA has tried two dodges, 1) the vehicles were designed by the former, bankrupt Chrysler, not their problem, 2) stalled for time in hopes most will simply be scrapped or accumulate so much mileage the Feds will dismiss the issue. Bottom line, if you own a pre-2012 JK automatic and have not installed an auxiliary trans cooler, do it NOW!

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post #16 of 29 Old 10-13-2015, 07:03 AM
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bthomas - So sorry to hear/read about this... glad you and the dogs are ok! Hopefully you have a positive outlook on all this. Vehicles are just "things"... can be replaced!

SoK66 - Thanks for the explanation. Glad I have an aux tranny cooler!

By chance, does anyone know at what measured temp (per a dash mounted gauge, bully dog, etc) all this begins to happen? ATF has a boiling point somewhere in the 600*F range, but surely this experience is well below that temp.

I want to say that the owners manual on my 07 said normal operating temp is in the 180*F range? With the cooler in place (I have never ran it without), I generally do not exceed the 140's. I think the highest I've ever hit was in 188, climbing a long steep hill.
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post #17 of 29 Old 10-15-2015, 06:56 AM
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damn...sad to see..

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post #19 of 29 Old 10-16-2015, 01:49 PM
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Gah! sorry to see this man! I'm glad everyone is safe though
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The fluid doesn't really "boil" it expands, And expands right out the dipstick.

When GM redesigned the full size trucks for 88, The wise engineers forgot one LITTLE thing..... The 700 trans vented to the right, Which is fine on 87 and lower trucks since the exhaust is on the left. Well the crayon eaters put the exhaust for the 88's on the right side, W/O moving the vent tube. Tow in OD and poof goes the truck. The "fix" was to put a piece of hose on vent and run it to left side.

Ever smelled severely burnt trans fluid? Way beyond burnt gear oil.

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post #21 of 29 Old 10-20-2015, 07:36 AM
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From my wrenching days the smell of overheated ATF is one that never leaves my nostrils. Gag.....

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post #22 of 29 Old 10-20-2015, 10:22 AM
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So sorry to hear this. I have a 2012 JKU automatic, I hope they solve the problem, Glad you and the pups are ok.
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post #23 of 29 Old 10-20-2015, 02:48 PM
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That'll buff right out.












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post #24 of 29 Old 10-21-2015, 06:39 AM
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Damn, Brandon! Glad it didn't catch a little sooner, man! Been a long time since I've seen that Jeep....guess I won't again.

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post #25 of 29 Old 10-21-2015, 07:00 AM
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I am always curious on these how the fight with the insurance company is. I can hear them claiming insurance fraud etc.
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