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Help me out here! I wanna own a business

Alright guys, I'm a 23yr old paratrooper that is an aspiring entrepenure! Ive been paratrooping for about five years now, but I am so incredibly passionate about jeeps it's not even funny! I feel like I could start a business that caters to the "low budget" jeep builders while still producing quality parts.

No, I'm not talking about producing and selling cheap parts that can compromise safety. I'm talking innovative accessories that will allow you to personalize your jeep.

My plan is to partner up with a local off road fabrication company to produce samples of these products, and use my 08 JKU as the test rig. I'd be able to setup a pole barn as a warehouse for storage at my house, and ship from home until I can afford a warehouse. I have a bunch of awesome ideas that I think would be a huge game changer in the jeep world!

Please guys fill me in! Would something like this be realistic? I would definitely love to share some of my ideas right now, but I feel like I should wait until I get the ball rolling!
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If it is something truly innovative or untried, then you might be on to something.

But what is left for entry level "builds" that has not been done and is available on ebay as a cheap knock off .


Remember, the JK game is going on 8 years old. Most of it has been done.... which is why this place has resorted to tacos and political threads lately

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The difference between us telling you that you are a genius or an idiot lies with what you have in mind...so without more info


there has been members on this board that have brought their products to market that started off just as thoughts, so you got that going for you (probably too young to remember caddyshack)

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Absolutely go for it. If it works out and you can make a living with it, you'll be living the dream. If it doesn't work out, your still young and you will have learned lessons that don't get taught in a class. If you don't try, you may wish you had for the rest of your life. Never give up, ever.

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Please guys fill me in! Would something like this be realistic? [/QUOTE]

I like your enthusiasm but would a true entrepreneur ask the above question? Perhaps a visit to the Shark Tank would do some good. If you have ideas, then develop them into a product, patent it, pass out some free samples, get feedback and then look for some investors. Build a website and join every JK forum you can find. So, I'm waiting for the product (s). Good luck.

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If it is something truly innovative or untried, then you might be on to something.

But what is left for entry level "builds" that has not been done and is available on ebay as a cheap knock off .


Remember, the JK game is going on 8 years old. Most of it has been done.... which is why this place has resorted to tacos and political threads lately


I have been searching online for a while trying to find affordable parts for my jeep. I know I wont be able to have everything at a low cost. but there are some things that can be made for $50 of material, and are sold for $1000!
I am in a pretty cool position to start a business, I have a stable income through the army. so my idea could totally fail. and I would still be ok.

some stuff available for JKs have me scratching my head, wondering why its so expansive.
things like half doors are something that I think I can have made for extremely cheap and ill be able to sell for next to no profit primarily to just get a name in the jeep community. then it would be more realistic to get a shop, and tools, ect..
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I have been searching online for a while trying to find affordable parts for my jeep. I know I wont be able to have everything at a low cost. but there are some things that can be made for $50 of material, and are sold for $1000!

Let me tart by saying go for it. You'll never know unless you try, and if you have other income to get you through the start-up and to fall back then you are doing well.

But, keep in mind, $50 of material is only the start. Right now, if you are working in your spare time out of your house, you may be able to undercut prices. But, that material cost will be joined by labor cost, packaging cost, shipping cost, marketing cost (website, vender license, trade name registration, patent filings possibly, federal trademark costs possibly), etc., etc. And you still have to make a profit.

Even still, you may be able to offer a significant price savings right now, while you are working out of your house and have supplemental income. But if you are successful, you say you will need shop and warehouse space, tools etc. You will need to make enough to pay for these and still make a profit, enough to be your only source of income eventually. Maybe your volume of sales will grow, but then so will your expenses. Bigger warehouse, maybe an employee or two, taxes, utilities, insurance.

I'm not trying to dissuade you from trying, saying you can't do it, or anything like that. I think you should go for it if it's what you want. I'm only trying to make sure you price your product for the future, not just for right now. If you truly want to grow this into your only income, you don't want to find out after six months of building sales that your current profit per item won't sustain a cost structure beyond working out of your house with supplemental income.

Good luck! Keep us up to date with your progress, and buy a gold star to become a vendor here.

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Alright guys, I'm a 23yr old paratrooper that is an aspiring entrepenure! Ive been paratrooping for about five years now, but I am so incredibly passionate about jeeps it's not even funny! I feel like I could start a business that caters to the "low budget" jeep builders while still producing quality parts.

No, I'm not talking about producing and selling cheap parts that can compromise safety. I'm talking innovative accessories that will allow you to personalize your jeep.

My plan is to partner up with a local off road fabrication company to produce samples of these products, and use my 08 JKU as the test rig. I'd be able to setup a pole barn as a warehouse for storage at my house, and ship from home until I can afford a warehouse. I have a bunch of awesome ideas that I think would be a huge game changer in the jeep world!

Please guys fill me in! Would something like this be realistic? I would definitely love to share some of my ideas right now, but I feel like I should wait until I get the ball rolling!
So... More and more women are buying Jeep Wranglers. I see lot's of mom's in driving them. This is a huge untapped market. Somehow you need to tap into that market. Most of these mom's aren't into off roading -- present company not included, I love to off road!. But if you somehow found items that would be simple and geared toward mom's and women.
No not the stupid eyelashes on the headlights but... I'm not even sure. Just my thoughts.

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Being a aerospace design engineer myself I have had the same thoughts and ideas even with creo and solid edge to use as cad and I am still having trouble thinking of something that has not been done already. I have had some good ideas but probably not a large enough demand, but I I won't give up I'll come up with some thing if I were you I would do the same !
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Go for it. Dont get old and wish you had tried it and didn't.
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Do it, realize a lot of manufactures force strict map pricing. We are lucky enough to get free shipping and maybe $5 off lol.
If you can make a quality product, compete or do better on pricing the show is yours.

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I justified trail doors that can accept uppers to myself over the weekend...just saying.

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Huge thanks to everyone! its nice hearing positive feedback! sorry if im late on replys, im currently in Iraq and its difficult with the way wifi works here. I really appreciate everyone's input! it has really motivated me to make this happen! i have a handful of great ideas, and ive also found a decent amount of companies that make quality stuff ant a super low price! im not going to be able to match companies like RK, TERAFLEX, or POISON SPYDER. those guys are awesome! and all make the best products in the jeep world! but i am going to be able to sell:

Light Bars
In-Cab tire carriers
Light bar mounts
Half doors
smooth tailgate kits
bikini tops
shirts
hats
ect..

i feel like when it comes to suspension, engine performance, wheels/tires. i should just leave all that to the pros! i know i can make my way in through these other accessories though.

could you guys imagine simple trail doors for $300 a set?
i don't need to make profit right away.. i would just sell for what i pay for them.
i guess we will see!
but what do i have to loose??
thanks guys!
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Better talk to a Lawyer , a account and a insurance company before you start..bet your eyes will be opened.

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Better talk to a Lawyer , a account and a insurance company before you start..bet your eyes will be opened.
yeah, i bet!
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Products for a single model of vehicle are not a path to millions. In order for you to have a continuing, sustainable business model, you will need to be able to adapt to new models of vehicles.
For instance, I would get an established product line out for our JK's. Get a name established, with no intent for major profits, but with establishing yourself. After you get established and build a reputation, you will be in a good position to be on the leading edge of manufacturing products for the next model, and if you do a really good job on presenting a vehicle at shows like SEMA, you might get lucky to get a preproduction version of the next wrangler, and be the first to market for components for that vehicle.
And remember, 95% of businesses fail in the first five years. You have to work on being in the successful 5%.
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Id be interested in the doors.

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Id be interested in the doors.

I'm currently in Iraq, I'm going to start talking to the shop I plan on trying to work with, and I'll be sure to keep this thread updated!
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Id be interested in the doors.
I'll be back home sometime in december
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not to dissuade you or say it can't be done, but let me give you a different perspective.

low budget build = 1 of two things. cheap crap or no profit. neither one will build you a business.

working with a fab shop to build parts on your jeep = they will not do labor for free or even cheaper, unless you know them or are a reputable builder yourself so they have guaranteed profit.

working from a pole barn on your property = is your location zoned commercial or residential? the "coolest" neighbors in the world become dicks when they think you are making money on your property. yes even a warehouse. the tax man wants his fair share as well.

do you have a reputation in your hometown as the "go to" guy if someone needs something done on their vehicle? does everyone there know you are the Jeep guy?

while you are trying to begin this dream how will you eat? do you have someone to pay the bills on the months when your dream actually cost money rather than making money?

finally make sure you are looking at this as a Ten years from now I might be something, kind of thing. if you think you will be rich and calling the shots in 6 months or even 2 years you are very wrong. I have watched a lot of people go from King of the World to homeless in a 6 month span. one bad decision can be the difference.

what kind of contacts do you have in the Jeep world?

I recently started working with a group on a charity bicycle ride. I asked them that question and got "yeah we are very well connected" after the ride was completed and the money counted I got "Holy Crap, how did you do that"?
contacts are everything. Not just introducing yourself. Make sure people Know you, really know you. help them, so they want to help you. don't ask for free help, get in there and offer your help to them.

all things above are said as a business owner (not mechanical), and a veteran and a person with a good size piece of dirt and a large garage etc.

I hope some of this helps you. if I were you, I would do a year or two at a small shop. learn the building part of Jeeps but more importantly get your name out and take a little time to learn how the business is run.
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So I've been thinking, and I have a new idea. Tell me what you guys think!

After tons or research, and brainstorming I've come to the conclusion that my business idea has huge potential! But me depending on another company to work with me %100 would be what makes or breaks my vision. Now I don't have any first hand experience YET, but I do know that business in any market is cutthroat.
I feel like I would be better off selling my plan to a reputable shop, and marketing my ideas. Maybe there would be a chance for some commission or just side income. But that's not what motivates me to produce these products. I want this stuff to exist primarily because I feel like not everything jeep related has to cost your paycheck and first unborn child.
So, what I plan on doing is talking to a couple fabrication shop owners and seeing if I can get anyone on the same page!
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So... More and more women are buying Jeep Wranglers. I see lot's of mom's in driving them. This is a huge untapped market. Somehow you need to tap into that market. Most of these mom's aren't into off roading -- present company not included, I love to off road!. But if you somehow found items that would be simple and geared toward mom's and women.
No not the stupid eyelashes on the headlights but... I'm not even sure. Just my thoughts.
^THIS literally 75% of the people who own JKUs around here are middle-aged women toting around kids.

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^THIS literally 75% of the people who own JKUs around here are middle-aged women toting around kids.

Seat cover with an inflatable man, who self inflates and simply complements the women the whole time.

You look beautiful today.
You are such a great mom.
Did you loose weight?
Your husband told me he loves you more every day.
A BJ and a sandwich is the best gift of all.
You drive great.
I wish all women were as good as you.
etc. etc.

You would be a millionaire.

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Seat cover with an inflatable man, who self inflates and simply complements the women the whole time.

You look beautiful today.
You are such a great mom.
Did you loose weight?
Your husband told me he loves you more every day.
A BJ and a sandwich is the best gift of all.
You drive great.
I wish all women were as good as you.
etc. etc.

You would be a millionaire.
Hahahahaha that's awesome!
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Your motivation is awesome.

Not surprising being at Bragg.

There is a joke around the off-roading biz community about making a small fortune in the industry involved starting with a large one.

Anyway... My only recommendation is to write your actual business pagan down on paper and share it with some close friends. See if it passes the laugh test. Even better, run it down to the local business school.

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